Hello John,

Without sending an email to your current list and sorting through the undeliverables, one way is to use Excel.

Do you have the email addresses of your current students?

If you do, get that into an Excel sheet and the same with your ListServ list in the same workbook. What you want to find are the duplicates in both sheets. People not in your ListServ list but who are not in your current student list have probably gone. People not duplicated in your current student list can probably be added to your listserv list.

There's a nice explanation about how to find duplicates in a single workbook but on separate sheets at https://www.excelcampus.com/tips/compare-sheets-duplicates/

A little tip is not to include the header rows in the formula or when highlighting the other list. I have found that Excel does not find all the matches if you do that.

Highlight the email addresses in the current students list, and apply the formula to those. I use a sheets named "check" for things I want to find duplicates of, and the last formula I used when doing this was =COUNTIF(check!$A$2:$A$753,A2)>0

There are probably other ways of doing it, but I use Excel a lot and knowing how to do this is very handy.

Ray

Networks Financial Institute
Scott College of Business
Indiana State University

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Johnnie W Adams
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 9:42 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: How to revive an old list?

CAUTION: This message originated from outside of Indiana State University. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. 

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Sorry,

"People not in your ListServ list but who are not in your current student list have probably gone." should of course read "People in your ListServ list but who are not in your current student list have probably gone."

Ray

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Johnnie W Adams
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 9:42 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: How to revive an old list?

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Hi, folks,

I've been asked about a LISTSERV whose owner left us in 2021 and what to do with it. It's a list with student subscribers, so I'm sure there's been a lot of turnover.

What's the best way to flush that list of subscribers no longer here--that is, with inactive emails?

Thanks,

John A

It might depend on what the current intent is. Has the list been idle
since the owner left? Does someone want to start sending messages
through it now? How does this new "someone" define the audience they
wish to reach?

If messages start flowing through the list again, the automatic
bad-address detection process will take care of things and the new owner
will see the daily error report, so an administrative flush is not
really required. There is no way for the LISTSERV system to know which
addresses are still good or not, other than by sending messages to them.

On the other hand, if it has been unused for almost two years, simply
delete all subscribers (quiet delete listname *@*) and let the new owner
populate it fresh based on their new criteria.

Or someone with access to both the list of subscribers, and the email
system list of current addresses, could develop some scripts to compare
the lists, discover which are no longer good, and generate delete commands.

Related question, after an extended idle period, can you be sure those
who are subscribed, and still active in the university email system,
still consider the list relevant?

On 2/20/2023 9:42 AM, Johnnie W Adams wrote:
> Hi, folks,
>
> �� �� ��I've been asked about a LISTSERV whose owner left us in 2021 and
> what to do with it. It's a list with student subscribers, so I'm sure
> there's been a lot of turnover.
>
> �� �� ��What's the best way to flush that list of subscribers no longer
> here--that is, with inactive emails?
>
> Thanks,
>
> �� �� ��John A

I have a LISTSERV Lite Free Edition working well on HTTPS with a Lets Encrypt certificate… just configured this in the Apache server. My server is Linux using the Rocky Linux distribution (similar to RHEL).

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Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2023 22:37
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Subject: [LSTOWN-L] SSL/HTTPS for Listserv Server

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Do any of you have any tips, pointers, or recommendations I could share with him?

Do any of you use Let’s Encrypt<https://letsencrypt.org/>? Do you recommend it?

Thanx,

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Hi PeterWe operate a fully moderated professional association list for our members, and we exclude any attachments except for PDFs.As it is fully moderated, we can catch messages that have had an attachment stripped by the server and send it back to the member for reposting.There is always a bit of member education to remind them that attachments other than PDF's are not allowed, and it plays havoc with some signature blocks that contain images,  but it works. It's not foolproof, but it does allow members to share documents reasonably safely.CheersMichaelAicalist.org auSent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: "Peter M. Weiss" <[log in to unmask]> Date: 30/10/22 2:34 am (GMT+10:00) To: [log in to unmask] Subject: list attachments filtering For decades (since early 1990's) I've operated LISTSERV (R) lists, filtering out all attachments (perhaps not inline text). Recently, this has come under review by a subscriber who feels that this is too restrictive. Personally, as list-owner, I feel that not allowing attachments has served us well: minimum spam (spoofed senders), no viruses, no redundant attachments in recipients' mail boxes (which has to be dealt with on a per-subscriber basis), no question about currency of attachments e.g., documents, no lengthy email controlled by SIZELIM=) especially with REPLY.  Minimum size NOTEBOOKs. So if you do allow attachments, how do you control for viruses, perhaps authorized senders (via perhaps sub-list/super-list where the super-list has attachments, and authorized senders).  Are you satisfied with this, especially with heterogenous mail client (MUA) / host environments? The particular list in question does have its own fileserver w/ its own authorization and controls. Thank you for any advice especially gotchas. {not quite ready for any trick or treats ;-) ] LISTSERV RELEASE: Master nodes file version: 2020-03-25 06:56:40 (VERS9922) NJE peers file version: 2020-02-18 01:34:35 Internet peers file version: 2021-06-16 14:57:18 Service file version: 2009-10-07 23:45:39 (VERS9922) Alias file version: 2020-03-25 06:56:39 Virus database version: 2022-07-26_07 (F-Secure Anti-Virus 11.10) Running under: Linux 3.10.0-1160.66.1.el7.x86_64 Build date: 8 Jun 2019 Pete Weiss To unsubscribe from the LSTOWN-L list, click the following link: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L&A=1

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This type of problem usually requires Site Administrator participation.
Most of the factors involved are outside the scope of list owner settings.

> On Thursday, 21 July 2022 at 10:29:38 am GMT-7, William Schults
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I'm a list owner of a list hosted at listserv.dartmouth.edu
> <http://listserv.dartmouth.edu>.
>
> Last night, all of our yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com> and aol.com
> <http://aol.com> subscribers were deleted after several days of errors.
>
> The errors messages were:
> For Yahoo subscribers:
> Last error was: 5.4.300 550 5.4.300 Message expired -> 451 [RL01] Message
> temporarily deferred
> or for AOL subscribers:
> Last error was: 5.4.300 550 5.4.300 Message expired -> 421 4.4.2 Connection
> dropped due to SocketError
> I have manually added the subscribers back in, but expect that errors
> will begin again.
>
> Anyone else experiencing this or have suggestions?  Has there been a
> policy change with Yahoo and AOL that is no longer compatible with
> ListServ?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bill Schults
> Co-owner [log in to unmask]

As documented, use

Moderator= All,[log in to unmask],[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask],[log in to unmask]>

From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Shinn Wu
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 6:50 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Multiple Moderators?

Hello,

This might be an easy question that I could not figure out.

We are using ListServ 17 on RHL 8.0.

One List Owner wanted multiple moderators in case he is on vacation. The manual of the ListServ said that ListServ allows multiple moderators. I tested in my own list:

Ack= Yes

Review= Editors Subscription= By owner Send= Editors,Hold,Confirm
Notify= Yes Reply-to= Sender,Respect Validate= No
Notebook= Yes,/u/ssc/listserv/lists,Monthly,Private
Default-Options= Ack,Repro,Fullhdr
Auto-Delete= No
Misc-Options= KEEP_EXCHANGE_DATA

Editor= [log in to unmask],[log in to unmask]
Moderator= [log in to unmask],[log in to unmask]
Owner= [log in to unmask],[log in to unmask]

Only the first moderator ([log in to unmask]) got the approval URL but not the second when a non-member sent a post. I switched the order of the moderator and only [log in to unmask] got it.

Thank you in advance!

Shinn

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Thank you so much, it worked perfectly.

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If you find the approval action for the message in the Listserv log, you can try to match that with the entry in the web logs to see where the approval came from. I've sometimes seen some of Microsoft's URL checking structure open the URL to test it, thus approving the message.

Melissa Kenny

Web Administrator
Harvard Medical School IT

401 Park Drive
Suite 504 West
Boston, MA 02215
(617) 998-2649 (desk)

-----Original Message-----
From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Michael Wishart
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 5:35 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Self-posting messages?

Hi

Have been having some messages that seem to be bypassing moderation and p= osting themselves. We have our list set for approval by list owner prior = to posting, and there seems to be a random number of emails (sporadic) th= at seem to get posted despite no-one approving them.. At first I thought = it was just me forgetting I approved them ((dementia setting in, maybe :-=
) ), but one happened this ,morning at 4.44 am when I was definitely fast= asleep!

Has anyone else seen this? I have checked the subscription of the list me= mbers who the posts were from, and they definitely are set to be moderate= d.

Any thoughts on what I should be checking? Is there a back-end report tha= t will show me who approved which post? I can see the activity report, bu= t it just shows when something was distributed, not who (ie email address=
) approved it.

We only have four listed list owners. Three of these are my email address= es (don;t ask!), and one is the association secretary (who is listed as '= quiet' so not even sure she gets approval messages, as she is not in the = moderator list). 

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On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 17:34:34 -0500, Michael Wishart
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Have been having some messages that seem to be bypassing moderation and posting themselves.

This is discussed in detail in a LISTSERV Tech Tip:

http://www.lsoft.com/news/techtipLSV-issue3-2017.asp

Unfortunately, that bounce is coming from the recipient's mail service; LISTSERV is only the messenger. The only way to solve it is to have the recipient find out from Apple how to whitelist you (though according to the information at that link, they don't do that), or otherwise circumvent the "local policy" referred to in the message. I would encourage you to read the information at that link and find out whether or not your LISTSERV installation meets the various requirements it discusses.

Note that "local policy" could mean that the user(s) inadvertently blocked you by hitting the "this is spam" button instead of the "next message" button (or whatever). Unfortunately it's completely unclear from the error message exactly what is happening. (Your server could have been blocked by Apple because of other reasons considered "local policy" as well.)

In answer to your question about others seeing it, so far I haven't seen anything like that on my own lists.

Nathan

From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2021 5:26 PM
To: LSTOWN-L <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Rejected Email - again

Hi,
More rejected email problems. Beginning on 8/26, Mail to perhaps half of list subscribers from mac.com, me.com, icloud.com , is being bounced with messages like

Last error: 5.7.1 554 5.7.1 [CS01] Message rejected due to
local policy. Please visit
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204137

Anyone else seeing anything like this?
Thanks!
Nelson

Nathan,

We just heard back from Apple!! They wrote

Thank you for your message. We have investigated your report and made
appropriate changes. Please try resending and let us know if you still
encounter the issue.

No indication as to what those changes were, but hopefully, this will
resolve it. I will let you know.

Nelson

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf
Of Nathan Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 08:44
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Rejected Email - again

Unfortunately, that bounce is coming from the recipient's mail service;
LISTSERV is only the messenger. The only way to solve it is to have the
recipient find out from Apple how to whitelist you (though according to the
information at that link, they don't do that), or otherwise circumvent the
"local policy" referred to in the message. I would encourage you to read
the information at that link and find out whether or not your LISTSERV
installation meets the various requirements it discusses.

Note that "local policy" could mean that the user(s) inadvertently blocked
you by hitting the "this is spam" button instead of the "next message"
button (or whatever). Unfortunately it's completely unclear from the error
message exactly what is happening. (Your server could have been blocked by
Apple because of other reasons considered "local policy" as well.)

In answer to your question about others seeing it, so far I haven't seen
anything like that on my own lists.

Nathan

From: [log in to unmask]
<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
<[log in to unmask]
<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > On Behalf Of
[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2021 5:26 PM
To: LSTOWN-L <[log in to unmask]
<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >
Subject: Rejected Email - again

Hi,

More rejected email problems. Beginning on 8/26, Mail to perhaps half of
list subscribers from mac.com, me.com, icloud.com , is being bounced with
messages like 

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Hello community experts- I'm 're-circulating' the message below in hopes of getting some guidance. Tks!

----Original message------------------

Hello listserv experts-

Our Customer Service Help Desk would like to monitor our list more efficiently in order to follow up with members who may have unanswered posts.

As a site owner, is there a way to generate a report that lists Posts with no replies?

Other methods or suggestions for monitoring the site for potential unanswered questions?

thank you in advance,
Mark

Hi, Mark,

I’m sure others will have more elegant solutions, but a Python script in the Listserv CLI should be able to do this for you, assuming the list in question has list archives (notebook) enabled, and you have appropriate permissions to access Listserv via the command line. Since the archives are plaintext files, you can write a script to gather all subject lines (SUBJECT) for messages sent in a given time period and then output all subjects (or whatever portion of the message you need) that do not have at least one corresponding reply subject line (RE: SUBJECT). Crude, but I think it might accomplish what you’re trying to do.

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Thanks, Michael. I've been exploring Python as a solution for ETLs of our archived data so this may be a good process to incorporate into those routines. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't an existing front-end option that I missed before shifting to more time-intensive methods. 🙂

I’ve had Gmail refusing to accept (not bouncing - timing out on accepting) posts because it didn’t like a link in the footer. Which was to a Google Doc. If this is only happening to this one subscriber, and not all gmail subscribers, I wonder if this subscriber has been marking posts as spam, or filtering them to spam. Can you contact the subscriber to see if they still want the posts?

Karen Reznek
[log in to unmask] (L, not 1)

On Jun 13, 2021, at 10:12 PM, Nelson Pardee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Gmail rejecting Flute List Listserv Digests

6 06/09 06/12 John Rayworth <JOHN@...........NET <mailto:JOHN@...........NET>>
Last error: 5.7.1 @gmail.com; 550-5.7.1 [91.136.10.194 12] Our
system has detected that this message

Looking this up, it’s likely 550, "5.7.1", Our system has detected that this message is likely unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of spam sent to Gmail, this message has been blocked. For more information, visit https://support.google.com/mail/answer/188131 <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/188131>

Karen,

Thanks for responding.

As I indicated it’s happening to a number of subscribers, one of whom is the primary list owner (my co-owner), and I know he’s not marking posts as spam. Maybe one of the list members has done so, but I doubt it it’s more. The list has traffic most days, so it’s not a situation where you don’t get anything for awhile, forget you were subscribed and then mark as spam.

More information. My co-owner is seeing this. The ip 91.136.10.155 is associated with mail145c50.megamailservers.eu .I’m not sure where this fits, other than my co-owner is in Great Britain.

This is far outside my expertise, and I see no way that anything I or the co-owner have done could have precipitated this.

ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
dkim=pass [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> header.s=its-s1 header.b=RokkkQ+z;
spf=fail (google.com: domain of [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> does not designate 91.136.10.155 as permitted sender) [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ;

Nelson

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Karen Reznek
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 08:32
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Gmail rejecting Flute List Listserv Digests

I’ve had Gmail refusing to accept (not bouncing - timing out on accepting) posts because it didn’t like a link in the footer. Which was to a Google Doc. If this is only happening to this one subscriber, and not all gmail subscribers, I wonder if this subscriber has been marking posts as spam, or filtering them to spam. Can you contact the subscriber to see if they still want the posts?

Karen Reznek

[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> (L, not 1)

On Jun 13, 2021, at 10:12 PM, Nelson Pardee <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote: 

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The bottom line is you’re going to have to ask the LISTSERV administrators at Syracuse to look into this. There’s probably nothing you can do at the list owner level to fix it.

Nathan

From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 1:01 PM
To: 'LISTSERV List Owners' Forum' <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: RE: Gmail rejecting Flute List Listserv Digests

Karen,
Thanks for responding.
As I indicated it’s happening to a number of subscribers, one of whom is the primary list owner (my co-owner), and I know he’s not marking posts as spam. Maybe one of the list members has done so, but I doubt it it’s more. The list has traffic most days, so it’s not a situation where you don’t get anything for awhile, forget you were subscribed and then mark as spam.

More information. My co-owner is seeing this. The ip 91.136.10.155 is associated with mail145c50.megamailservers.eu .I’m not sure where this fits, other than my co-owner is in Great Britain.
This is far outside my expertise, and I see no way that anything I or the co-owner have done could have precipitated this.

ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;

dkim=pass [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> header.s=its-s1 header.b=RokkkQ+z;

spf=fail (google.com: domain of [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> does not designate 91.136.10.155 as permitted sender) [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>;

Nelson

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Karen Reznek
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 08:32
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Gmail rejecting Flute List Listserv Digests

I’ve had Gmail refusing to accept (not bouncing - timing out on accepting) posts because it didn’t like a link in the footer. Which was to a Google Doc. If this is only happening to this one subscriber, and not all gmail subscribers, I wonder if this subscriber has been marking posts as spam, or filtering them to spam. Can you contact the subscriber to see if they still want the posts? 

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On Fri, 21 May 2021 20:28:23 -0400, Nelson Pardee <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Last error: 5.7.1 550-5.7.1 [67.231.157.15 12] Our system has
> detected that this message is

Obviously the message is over long and has been cut off. My guess is the
actual whole message if you could read it would be along the lines of
another:

> Last error: 5.7.1 554 5.7.1 [VI-1] Message blocked due to spam
> content in the message.

It doen't really matter what the message text is, LISTSERV takes action
based on the error code numbers.

>Last error: 5.7.1 550-5.7.1

There are 2 different systems of codes. Your error message uses both code
systems, which is common these days.

SMTP codes from RFC 821, 2821, 5321

550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable (e.g., mailbox
not found, no access, or command rejected for policy reasons)

Delivery Status Notification (DSN) codes from RFC 1893, 3463

5.7.1 Delivery not authorized, message refused. The sender is not
authorized to send to the destination.
This is a policy or security code.

What's going on it very odd, and I'm seeing some possibly related problems
in another context.
The person experiencing this problem is our new list co-owner, a completely
legitimate person. She just got an email from her alma mater as an alumnus;
these emails are setup and managed by google in the alumni.usc.edu domain.
She recently received, for example, an email from someone having a gmail
address with the message "Gmail could not verify that it actually came from
[log in to unmask]". In fact, the sender has sent her dozens of emails- there is
nothing fake or phony about the email. I infer that the spam filters on the
alumni.usc.edu domain are overly aggressive and/or wrongly configured

The additional situation I'm referring to related to my Toastmasters club.
When I personally send email through the club website to the list of our
members, the people in the club with Syracuse University email addresses
have my emails routed to their junk folders. Their email system is an
exchange system, although I'm not sure whether they are managing it or MS is
hosting the email for them. When I send emails to these people directly from
my account, they get through with no trouble.

I am inferring in both cases there may be problems with spam filters on
these enterprise systems. It also seems to coincide with gmail reporting
higher volumes of spam on my personal email, although the classification is
pretty accurate- I'm not seeing a lot more junk getting through nor a lot
more legit emails classified as spam. Maybe the spam filters are being
tweaked due to higher volumes? I realize this isn't a Listserv problem per
se, but it does affect our ability to use Listserv. 

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I’ve been seeing cases of posts from gmail senders being timed out by gmail for gmail recipients. In the couple of cases I was able to track down, the sender was cc or bcc:ing other people and/or lists. When they removed the other recipients, the posts went through. Though that could have been a coincidence, and the gmail glitch just happened to clear at the same time.

Karen Reznek
[log in to unmask] (L, not 1)

My guess is this has something to do with DKIM.
I don't like DKIM because it doesn't always work with forwarded mail,
even when the forwarding is RFC-compliant.
*sigh*

(Typically these alumni addresses--I have one at my alma mater--receive
email and then forward it somewhere else.)

Nelson Pardee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> What's going on it very odd, and I'm seeing some possibly related
> problems
> in another context.
> The person experiencing this problem is our new list co-owner, a
> completely
> legitimate person. She just got an email from her alma mater as an
> alumnus;
> these emails are setup and managed by google in the alumni.usc.edu
> domain.
> She recently received, for example, an email from someone having a
> gmail
> address with the message "Gmail could not verify that it actually came
> from
> [log in to unmask]". In fact, the sender has sent her dozens of emails-
> there is
> nothing fake or phony about the email. I infer that the spam filters on
> the
> alumni.usc.edu domain are overly aggressive and/or wrongly configured

Thanks for the fast response.

I don't have access to that information that I know of- back in the day when
I was the site admin I did, but not any more. There are five senders with a
total of 12 postings. The dates range from 2024 to 2098.

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf
Of Peter M. Weiss
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2021 15:44
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: List Postings with odd date after upgrade to 17.0

If possible, look at all of the RECEIVED line headers plus the body-of-text
DATE:

Look at the NOTEBOOK archives and see if you see a common denomiator e.g.,
FROM:

On 3/7/2021 15:32, Nelson R Pardee wrote:

Syracuse University Listserv recently upgraded to 17.0, and a bunch of
postings with dates in the future surfaced. Maybe they were there before,
but if so, members didn't say anything, and although I'm an owner, I'm not a
subscriber. I presume this came from computers with incorrect clocks. Has
anyone else run into this? Any suggestions on how to handle it?

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http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L
<http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L&A=1> &A=1

You need the aid of a site administrator, or at least someone who has write privileges on the website you want to use for the archive. The instructions are in the manual under creating a web archive.

You just need to allocate an archive directory for the list, create a pointer to it, and Listserv will generate the archive automatically whenever it restarts.

Larry

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: "Crovo, Bob" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: archives
> Date: February 22, 2021 at 3:35:45 PM EST
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Reply-To: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]>
>
> we have a list that has been around for a number of years. Notebook is turned on but not the web archive. is it possible to transform these archives into a web archive? can the list owner do it or does it require the aid of the administrator?
>
> To unsubscribe from the LSTOWN-L list, click the following link:
> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L&A=1 <http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L&A=1>

that sounds easy enough for starting a web archive. will existing archives (notebooks) be ported over too? we are recently moved to Listserv 17.0.

All existing notebooks will display in the archive regardless of the version that created them.

To answer your questions:

1) The list activity report in the web interface only operates on the current changelog file. Unless you have a truly unusually busy list, rotating changelog files monthly is almost definitely overkill. (How large are those monthly files?) The main reason to rotate changelogs is to keep the search performance acceptable. Unless your changelogs are hundreds of MB in size, there is probably no reason to rotate them at all. Most list-level changelogs don't get larger than a few KB.

2) Yes, you can GET the changelogs via e-mail. No, this does not lock the list or the changelog file.

3) Yes, you can route changelogs to a DBMS, but it's something your site administrator has to configure: http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/17.0/sitevars/CHANGELOG_DBMS.html

4) See https://www.lsoft.com/news/techtipLSV-issue2-2018.asp

--
Liam Kelly
Senior Consulting Analyst
L-Soft international
[log in to unmask]

Write a LISTSERV review + get a $25 Visa gift card from Gartner: https://it.gtnr.io/lRzanwdho

Liam- thank you for your detailed response.

I'll reach out to our admin team to inquire about the archive interval setting.

Given the state of things, are there options for pulling archived content into the list activity report tool? Other options for analyzing this data?

Also- are there any plans that you are aware of that would allow list activity reporting on archived content (i.e., select your archived/monthly report)? Seems like this would be a very helpful feature.

Mark

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Ooops - I forgot to mention - I suggested sender=...,confirm but the idea was rejected.

/Zvika

From: Zvi Bar-Deroma
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 6:03 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Controlling Reply Messages

Greetings,

I own a few dozen lists (listserv 17.0) and I normally set: "Reply-To= Sender,Respect". This way well behaved MUAs (mailers) will send the reply to the original sender of the message, unless he/she explicitly defined another address to be replied to. Of course, there's also the human factor, those pressing on "reply all"... On some lists the ratio of noise to data has become very large and I was asked to find a solution. I can't see anything doable with listserv's options, or am I wrong?

Someone suggested here to have the users send the (original) message as BCC, but after listserv processing, the user receives the mail in such a way that the listname appears in the to field, and then - back to square 1, the human factor. Any ideas what can be done?

Thanks,
/Zvika

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Thanks, Peter for your suggestions.
The problem is not so much the high volume of messages, but with replies being sent to the list, instead of to the original sender or to another address specified by the sender using the reply-to field in the mail header.
So sizelim is not the answer.
I have also thought about using the "topics" mechanism, but this is good for defining who receives messages, and will not prevent a user to reply to the list (or simply do a reply-all) instead of to the sender. AM I missing something here - please correct me if I'm wrong...
I am aware that I'm trying to find a technical solution to a human-behavioral issue (assuming the user's mail program behaves "well").

Thanks,
/Zvika

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Peter M. Weiss
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:31 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: FW: Controlling Reply Messages

Maybe some partial remediation?

If any high daily volume by users, have a daily limit (I've forgotten all of the sub-parms).

Also, a SIZELIM= (remembering HTML are larger) may cut down how many cascaded replies

If particular users, maybe SET REVIEW.

Implement TOPICS= and default the reserve OTHER so no one receives those (except DIGEST) but instead has a catch-all for non-categorized as MISC.

Just my 2 agorot
On 10/21/2020 11:04, Bar-deroma Zvi wrote:
Ooops - I forgot to mention - I suggested sender=...,confirm but the idea was rejected.

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On 10/21/2020 1:05 PM, Bar-deroma Zvi wrote:
> I have also  thought about using the “topics” mechanism, but this is good for
> defining who receives messages, and will not prevent a user to reply to the
> list (or simply do a reply-all) instead of to the sender. AM I missing
> something here – please  correct me if I’m wrong…
>
> I am aware that I’m trying to find a technical solution to a human-behavioral
>  issue (assuming the user’s mail program behaves “well”).
>

It's not so much a behavioral issue. Lots of mail programs won't honor the
"reply sender" preference if the listserv is also an option. I don't know how
much is ISP manipulation vs email programs that simply will not honor the system.

Randy

Mark
Did you this resolved? I have the same question (and have had). We just upgraded to 17.0 so I'm still learning the web interface.

Thanks

Nathan W. Gray
[log in to unmask]

On 6/12/20, 3:38 PM, "LISTSERV List Owners' Forum on behalf of Mark McCranie" <[log in to unmask] on behalf of [log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hello Listserv members,

Is there a way to prevent the bottom banner from duplicating within each thread (i.e., evaluate: if the banner exists then do not include the next bottom banner)?

Or other ways to modify the accumulation of bottom banners in email messages?

Note that I want the original post/email and threaded responses to include the first bottom banner only.

Thanks in advance,
Mark

Hello Nathan- I have not resolved this issue. If I come up with a solution outside of the listserv I'll post it on this thread.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Gray, Nathan W - graynw
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 9:48 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Prevent duplication of BOTTOM_BANNER

Mark
Did you this resolved? I have the same question (and have had). We just upgraded to 17.0 so I'm still learning the web interface.

Thanks

Nathan W. Gray
[log in to unmask]

On 6/12/20, 3:38 PM, "LISTSERV List Owners' Forum on behalf of Mark McCranie" <[log in to unmask] on behalf of [log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hello Listserv members,

Is there a way to prevent the bottom banner from duplicating within each thread (i.e., evaluate: if the banner exists then do not include the next bottom banner)?

Or other ways to modify the accumulation of bottom banners in email messages?

Note that I want the original post/email and threaded responses to include the first bottom banner only.

Thanks in advance,
Mark

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From a programmer viewpoint this is an incredibly difficult problem,
especially with the variable "click to unsubscribe" feature (among other
things) which means the banner content is never the same from one
message to another.

And depending on the end-user email client software, the banner might
not even look the same when it comes back to the list host, text
elements could be split up and have new formatting instructions inserted.

The "customary response" is: train your list participants to trim their
message before sending.

On 6/24/2020 11:20 AM, Peter M. Weiss wrote:
> Looks like L-Soft hasn't implemented any solution for lstown-l ...
>
> On 6/24/2020 10:45, McCranie, Mark D (HIN) wrote:
>> Hello Nathan- I have not resolved this issue. If I come up with a solution outside of the listserv I'll post it on this thread.
>>
>> Mark

> The "customary response" is: train your list participants to trim
their message before sending.

With respect to training participants: My top banner includes reminders
of certain basic information about the way the list works, one appearing
each day on a rotating basis. I accomplish that using the &DAYSEQ
function (example below).

One of the reminders addresses the question. Here's how it appears. This
is working code from the TOP_BANNER spec:

.bb &DAYSEQ(20) = 12
Trim accumulated headers and footers when replying to the list.
.eb

It doesn't mean all the participants comply.

Regards,
Hal Keen

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Unless this has changed recently (Please? In a future update?), the banner is added before the content filter is run, so every message would be rejected. Otherwise, that would be a very easy way to reject a message that hasn't been trimmed.

Karen Reznek
[log in to unmask] (L, not 1)

> On Jun 25, 2020, at 9:28 PM, Peter M. Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I do not know IF this would work.
>
> Establish a testing list; choose a "password" of 16 alphameric (A-Z, 0-9) characters. Place that either at the beginning or end of your bottom_banner. Establish a content filter that moderates (or rejects) any message that has that in the body.
>
> Pete Weiss,
> PSU retired '04
>>
>> On 6/12/20, 3:38 PM, "LISTSERV List Owners' Forum on behalf of Mark McCranie"
>> Is there a way to prevent the bottom banner from duplicating within each thread (i.e., evaluate: if the banner exists then do not include the next bottom banner)?

Do you know whether you are still getting the delivery errors? If that is in doubt, and one of the subscribers who is receiving postings is a trusted friend, you might ask them if they would mind receiving the delivery errors (with the Errors-To keyword you can designate a non-owner for this thankless task) to see if Listserv is reporting errors when sending to you. Or if you have auto-delete the server admin may be able to check the file where it accumulates the errors.

Also, did you check your Junk folder? Not saying the messages are junk, we have been having problems here lately with changes in SPF settings causing mailing list mail to end up in Junk folders.

Margaret King
IT Services - Messaging
Michigan State University

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Peter Briggs
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 1:10 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Mail not being forwarded from listserv

I am the owner of a list ([log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>). 48 hours ago I stopped receiving postings from the listserv. This appears to affect only me (the owner!), as I can view many postings from other subscribers in the archive for that period. Interestingly, I can also see my “test” postings to the list, which were not forwarded to me.

I have not made any changes to my own subscriber listing, nor have I made any changes to my email server blocked addresses, etc. nor to my router or computer firewalls.

Any helpful suggestions out there.

Peter Briggs

Would Listserv Lite be an option? The archives could be stored there and accessed. The entire list could be moved there if there are 500 or fewer subscribers.

Have you looked into low-cost or free options? Depending on the topic of your list, there may be umbrella groups that host lists that fall under their mission. For example, I help to manage ICORS, which hosts lists that fall under health, disability, family, or education. http://icors.net

Karen Reznek

> On Jun 8, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Bob Kosovsky <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> We're now using Google groups. The subscribers want database access to
> those 24 years of log files. Currently the files are just sitting in a
> Google drive and are unsuitable for searching.

This is a great question, and I'd be very interested in any suggestions anyone has, as well. I've been a listowner for about this long, and I expect to be facing the need to find another host before very long. The archive of our list, running back to the mid-nineties, has significant historical value and I'm not optimistic that the organization the list serves will be able to find another LISTSERV home for the list. If we can, I know it's possible to migrate the archive, because another organization I've maintained a list for has done it, but I don't think it likely for this one. It would be great to have a program that would enable access to this resource.

-- Russ

Russ Hunt
Professor Emeritus of English

St. Thomas University
http://people.stu.ca/~hunt

Because “Filter=” is processed before “Send=” to avoid sending confirmation requests to filtered addresses if using “Send= xxx,Confirm” (and probably for other reasons that I cannot think of off the top of my head).

Eric

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pete Weiss
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 16:03
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: bug or feature?

A list that I co-operate was the object of a single spam with a FROM:

Canadian-Meds <[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]>

and of course was intercepted by LISTSERV with the following error message bounce:

The enclosed message, found in the abc-L mailbox and shown under the

spool ID 133342665 in the system log, has been identified as a possible

delivery error notice for the following reason: mail origin is listed in the

"Filter=" list header keyword (or its default value for the abc-L

list).

Now since the list is SEND= PRIVATE, and the FROM: is not a subscriber, why isn't this treated like any non-subscriber as opposed to one that is in a FILTER?

Pete Weiss

The REVIEW option on a subscription should do the job. And it's under
the control of the list owner, not the subscriber.

Hal Keen

On 4/2/2020 12:15 PM, Andor J Kiss wrote:
> I manage a ListServ and I have one subscriber that is constantly
> thread jacking and problematic.  Is there a way to configure Listserv
> 16.5 to make me have to approve that one (and only that one) user's
> Reply-To-List responses?
>
> TIA

Using the web subscriber management interface set them to REVIEW.

On 3/9/2020 7:46 AM, Tom Brooks wrote:
> TSSANNOUNCEMENTS-Llist isheld

Also try a free command to the list,
free <listname> pw=<pass>

> Is it possible to change the minimum password requirements to be a minimum of 8 characters
> with as least one numeral and special character? I was unable to find information on this in
> the online help.

If you require this level of complexity for passwords then talk to your LISTSERV Site Manager about enabling LDAP integration for logins. There's also a side-benefit in that list subscribers will have one less password they need to remember.

Eric (Johnson, just so it's clear I'm not responding to the boss :) ),

1) We do monitor the list, but perhaps our current group of engineers do not do so as assiduously as some of our former engineers used to. That's at least partly because our long-standing policy regarding this list (as well as toward LSTSRV-L, which, being really oriented toward LISTSERV maintainers (AKA postmasters), is why LSTOWN-L was spawned off of it many years ago) is that it's a self-help list, where L-Soft engineers may jump in from time to time as time allows.

Also, the list does not see the kind of traffic that it used to, particularly not the sort of traffic that it has prior to 1993-1994 when L-Soft was organized and formal support began. The list has handled only about 50 messages in all of 2019. Our engineers keep quite busy sorting out problems in the official product and hosting support streams and the occasional message here may not always get the sort of scrutiny that it deserves.

As the support department manager, I will see what I can do to help prevent questions on this list from being, hmm, "orphaned" without a response.

However, note that I responded to a question last week myself. Liam Kelly responded to a question in August. Michael Shannon (though he most recently posted from a personal email address) is an L-Soft support engineer who monitors the list, and Ben Parker, who retired a couple of years ago, seems to still be active here. Some of our retired customer contacts also still read the list (Pete Weiss immediately comes to mind). Please bear in mind, though, that a list owner's main avenue for support is to work through their site's LISTSERV maintainer (or in the case of L-Soft hosted lists, through the address they have been given for support of those lists). 

[More ...]

Thanks, Nathan.

But in this particular case, there does seem to have been something
different from what you describe:

On 11/18/2019 8:03 AM, Nathan Brindle wrote:
> 2) Not having seen the full headers on the message myself, the only thing I can suggest is that the message was hung up in a queue somewhere between L-Soft and the eventual recipient, and a mail server reboot or some other action simply dislodged it. Depending on how that happened, it's possible the message could have looped back through the list. We see that sort of thing from time to time and basically it's just a head-scratcher as to how a mail server could punch out an old message like that. They're just zombie messages from the Internet, or whatever you want to call it, I guess.
>

While I'm entirely ready to believe in zombie messages, in this case it
looks like they were hung up, in L-Soft, before they reached the list.
Here's the relevant part of the header on the first message:

Received: by PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 17.0) with spool id
300981801 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 15 Nov 2019
09:41:32 -0500
Approved-By: [log in to unmask]
Approved-By: [log in to unmask]
Received: from loquat.ease.lsoft.com (loquat.ease.lsoft.com [209.119.0.170]) by
RHONE.EASE.LSOFT.COM (SMTPL release 1.1d) (envelope-from
<[log in to unmask]>) for [log in to unmask] with TCP;
Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:02:03 -0400
Received: from [209.119.0.169] ([209.119.0.169:50506]
helo=PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM) by camaro.dc.lsoft.com (envelope-from
<[log in to unmask]>) (ecelerity 3.6.0.39694 r(Platform:3.6.0.0))
with ESMTP id 60/59-02039-BC4CBF85; Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:02:03 -0400

The second message, a reply a couple hours later, had similar trace entries.

Hal Keen

I don't really know what to say other than "it looks like a zombie message". It would be all but impossible to diagnose what really happened at this point. We certainly don't have LISTSERV logs from April 2017 to determine what was going on then that might have caused the message to get hung up that long ago, if indeed that's what happened.

So it doesn't seem particularly profitable at this point to continue the discussion.

Nathan

From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Hal Keen
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:42 PM
To: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [LSTOWN-L] Long-delayed messages?

Thanks, Nathan.

But in this particular case, there does seem to have been something different from what you describe:
On 11/18/2019 8:03 AM, Nathan Brindle wrote:

2) Not having seen the full headers on the message myself, the only thing I can suggest is that the message was hung up in a queue somewhere between L-Soft and the eventual recipient, and a mail server reboot or some other action simply dislodged it. Depending on how that happened, it's possible the message could have looped back through the list. We see that sort of thing from time to time and basically it's just a head-scratcher as to how a mail server could punch out an old message like that. They're just zombie messages from the Internet, or whatever you want to call it, I guess.

While I'm entirely ready to believe in zombie messages, in this case it looks like they were hung up, in L-Soft, before they reached the list. Here's the relevant part of the header on the first message: 

[More ...]

See http://lsoft.com/manuals/lsv-faq/444In170webinterfacewhereisBulkO.html .

Nathan

Sorry, my bad, this is the list owners' list. It's also in the List Owner's FAQ:

http://lsoft.com/manuals/owner-faq/30In170webinterfacewhereisBulkOp.html

Nathan

Amazing that these vermin can infect even a list like this. -- Russ -- Russ Hunt Professor Emeritus of English St. Thomas University http://people.stu.ca/~hunt ________________________________________ From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of John Cunniff <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 3:54 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Important Letter Hello,How are you?I am doing well here and enjoying the weather I want you to email me back once you receive my email from me because I want to share with you a letter very important to read thanks. ~Johnny :) John Cunniff E-mail: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Phone: 781-517-7588 V/VP FAX: 781-979-0215 Text: 339-293-9656 Facebook here <https://www.facebook.com/jcunniff> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the LSTOWN-L list, click the following link: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L&A=1

Hi all,

Please delete the last message, it was sent to you by a hacker. i apologize
for this inconvenience.

Thanks.

*~Johnny :)*

*J**ohn Cunniff*
*E-mail: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>*
*Phone: 781-517-7588 V/VP*
*FAX: 781-979-0215*
*Text: 339-293-9656*

*Facebook here <https://www.facebook.com/jcunniff>*

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 6:32 PM Russell Hunt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Amazing that these vermin can infect even a list like this.
>
> -- Russ
>
> --
> Russ Hunt
> Professor Emeritus of English
> St. Thomas University
> http://people.stu.ca/~hunt
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> on
> behalf of John Cunniff <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 3:54 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Important Letter
>
> Hello,How are you?I am doing well here and enjoying the weather I want you
> to email me back once you receive my email from me because I want to share
> with you a letter very important to read thanks.
> ~Johnny :)
>
> John Cunniff
> E-mail: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Phone: 781-517-7588 V/VP
> FAX: 781-979-0215
> Text: 339-293-9656
> Facebook here
> <https://www.facebook.com/jcunniff>
>
> ________________________________
>
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> or click the following link:
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Peter
I checked and you were correct, they are subscribed as “Normal LISTSERV-style header”. I must be having a brain fart. I’ve manually changed everyone’s header style to “. . . with list name in subject”. I’m assuming that the Default-options needs to be set in the list header. Is that correct?

Thanks

Nathan W. Gray
[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of "Peter M. Weiss" <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 4:07 PM
To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Subject tag not showing up

On 8/6/2019 15:34, Gray, Nathan W - graynw wrote:
Good afternoon folks
I have several lists setup. Four of them have the subject-tag used. The latest one doesn’t show the subject tag for anyone but me (list owner).

Subject-Tag= "uagc"

The other one that some members of uagc are members of as well shows the subject tag correctly:

Subject-Tag= "CCSUG"

Any thoughts as to why it would show up on one but not the other? I copied and pasted the CCSUG settings, changed the subject-tag text to “uagc”, saved and sent out some test messages. No one but me is seeing the tag.

Why do you think anyone would see that tag? ;-)

Are their subscription options SUBJECTHDR? Did they subscribe when your list had the following definition?

* Default-options= SubjectHDR

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Roger that. Thanks for the help.

Nathan W. Gray
[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of "Peter M. Weiss" <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 6:45 AM
To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Subject tag not showing up

Yes, for new subscribers.
On 8/7/2019 06:26, Gray, Nathan W - graynw wrote:
Peter
I checked and you were correct, they are subscribed as “Normal LISTSERV-style header”. I must be having a brain fart. I’ve manually changed everyone’s header style to “. . . with list name in subject”. I’m assuming that the Default-options needs to be set in the list header. Is that correct?

That may be restricted to the Listserv Administrator.

It was possible in 16.5. I hope it isn't admin-only now.

Thank you,

Karen Reznek

On 7/19/19 1:19 PM, F J Kelley wrote:
> That may be restricted to the Listserv Administrator.

> Is there a way to bulk-delete archives (say, by week) in Listserv 17.0?
>
> It looks as if I should be able to do a search for the date range, then
> click on the box above the trash can icon to select them all. However,
> that box is not clickable.

On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:49:22 -0400, Karen Reznek <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Is there a way to bulk-delete archives (say, by week) in Listserv 17.0?
>
>It looks as if I should be able to do a search for the date range, then
>click on the box above the trash can icon to select them all. However,
>that box is not clickable.

Alas, the change in 17.0 makes the old A1 page no longer available. That
page, which grouped messages by week/month in addition to the individual
per-message trash can icon also offered a 'delete all' trash can icon at the
bottom of the page that would delete the entire week/month (depending on how
your archives are set up). With the reorganization of message flow in 17.0
into a more continuous more stream that option is gone.

You can still delete an entire week/month archive by email command. First
give an INDEX command to get a listing of archive files:

=== Forwarded Message ===
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:54:56 -0400, "EXAMPLE.LSOFT.COM LISTSERV Server
(17.0)" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

* Archive files for the CBA-TES list at EXAMPLE.LSOFT.COM
* (monthly logs)
*
* filename filetype GET PUT size (bytes) date time
* -------- -------- --- --- ------------ ---------- --------
CBA-TES LOG9706 LOG OWN 46,100 2011-11-23 13:55:16
CBA-TES LOG9707 LOG OWN 119,407 2011-11-25 13:26:38
CBA-TES LOG9708 LOG OWN 89,461 2011-11-25 13:34:02
CBA-TES LOG9709 LOG OWN 75,746 2011-11-25 13:34:32
CBA-TES LOG9710 LOG OWN 60,890 2011-11-25 13:34:30
CBA-TES LOG9711 LOG OWN 23,921 2011-11-25 13:33:39
CBA-TES LOG9712 LOG OWN 33,629 2011-11-26 09:48:10
CBA-TES LOG9801 LOG OWN 59,795 2011-11-26 09:48:11
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On 4/5/2019 10:51 AM, Eckard, Steve - eckardsl wrote:
> I have a user who has an announce only list and is wondering how to keep people
> from responding to her messages. The list keyword Send is = Owner and keyword
> Reply is “Reply-to= None,Ignore. When I see a message from her, it appears to
> come directly from her with her eid and replying goes directly to her. When I
> use a test list of mine and do the same sending to my test list it shows the
> listserv list name and on behalf of myself. I advised her to put “please don’t
> reply directly to this email” at the end, but I was just wondering why this is
> happening….perhaps the email client? Cheers.
>

Perhaps set everybody to NOPOST (quiet set <listname> nopost for *@* pw=...)

Add NOPOST to Default-Options=

Randy

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On 3/15/2019 10:45 PM, Donald Anderson wrote:
> We've been having trouble posting long url's. The issue is they seem to
> get broken probably due at the 80 character area.
> Here is an example. This is a direct cut and paste from the website:
> https://www.neurologytimes.com/rare-diseases/insider-tips-periodic-paralysis
> -issues-developing-comprehensive-treatment-plan
>

That tends to be a function of the posters email program. Sometimes you can
turn it off and sometimes not. Thunderbird provides for the option under the
"Options menu"

I see lots of people using something like bitly, https://bitly.com/ to shorten
a URL.

Try tinyurl.com or bit.ly.

On March 16, 2019 1:45:21 AM EDT, Donald Anderson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>We've been having trouble posting long url's. The issue is they seem
>to
>get broken probably due at the 80 character area.
>Here is an example. This is a direct cut and paste from the website:
>https://www.neurologytimes.com/rare-diseases/insider-tips-periodic-paralysis
>-issues-developing-comprehensive-treatment-plan
>
>Does the hotlink method work? Substituting a word or phrase for the
>link.
> I forgot how to do it to try.
>
>The other is for members to highlight and copy paste but some need a
>little help.
>Thanks,
>Don Anderson hkpp list owner
>
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> Try using www.tinyurl.com It will take a lengthy url and code/reduce it to
> about 10_12 characters and give it back as a hotlink. It costs nothing.
> I've used it for years.
> Eric Johnson

Thanks for the responses. I tried this one and sent it to the member
asking for help. I think she can figure it out.
I'll be using it and maybe correcting her posts with it.
Don

> We've been having trouble posting long url's. The issue is they seem to
> get broken probably due at the 80 character area.

Another simple method to try is enclosing URLs in angle brackets. For example:

<https://www.example.com/this-is-an-example/of-a-long-URL.html>

This can often be useful if you're using plain-text in your messages.

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Thanks Pete

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Peter M. Weiss
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 10:22 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LSTOWN-L] confirm email

On 3/15/2019 10:08, Crovo, Bob wrote:

Should I infer that the sender sent a confirmation every time that they sent me mail via that address? I would have thought that would have been a red flag for them. Or at least an inconvenience that they would not have wanted to pursue.

Yes: the confirmation is done either via an email REPLY or a clicked URL.

The listname-REQUEST address is for all non-quiet list-owners (of the list).

If you ever change the non-quiet list-owners, you don't have to inform the world.

This is the recognized LISTSERV(R) standard for contact a list's owner(s).

If you were to disable that, what would be the proper method for folks to contact the (non-quiet) list-owner(s) with questions or concerns?

For folks emailing you directly, e., [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>, of course they don't go through the confirmation. When you email them your REPLY from their posting to -REQUEST, it is coming directly from you.

Pete
(sometimes a quiet: list-owner)

Yes, there is; it’s pretty easy. The list manager should know how to do it, or can find it in the list owner’s manual.

The best way to deal with this is to force new subscribers to be moderated until they make a meaningful post. That’s just a matter of setting the list defaults to “no post”, then removing that restriction after a new user posts appropriately. This would also solve the problem if the recalcitrant poster changes email addresses.

Larry

> On Feb 24, 2019, at 6:45 PM, Russell Hunt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I have a colleague who is listowner of a list I like a lot. Recently a rogue poster has started posting weird irrelevant stuff (Spanish obscenities, as far as I can tell) – but he subscribes, posts a few, then unsubs. I don’t think he changes email addresses. I’m wondering if there’s a way to block someone from subscribing at all?
>
> Russ
>
> Russ Hunt
> Professor Emeritus of English
> St. Thomas University
> people.stu.ca/~hunt <http://people.stu.ca/~hunt>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from the LSTOWN-L list, click the following link:
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Thank you. I’ve just forwarded that to my colleague. Should have thought of it – but the only live list I still own is pretty inactive, so I tend to forget about management options.

* Russ

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Lawrence Finch
Sent: February 24, 2019 7:52 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: blocking an address

Yes, there is; it’s pretty easy. The list manager should know how to do it, or can find it in the list owner’s manual.

The best way to deal with this is to force new subscribers to be moderated until they make a meaningful post. That’s just a matter of setting the list defaults to “no post”, then removing that restriction after a new user posts appropriately. This would also solve the problem if the recalcitrant poster changes email addresses.

Larry

On Feb 24, 2019, at 6:45 PM, Russell Hunt <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:

I have a colleague who is listowner of a list I like a lot. Recently a rogue poster has started posting weird irrelevant stuff (Spanish obscenities, as far as I can tell) – but he subscribes, posts a few, then unsubs. I don’t think he changes email addresses. I’m wondering if there’s a way to block someone from subscribing at all?

* Russ

Russ Hunt
Professor Emeritus of English
St. Thomas University
people.stu.ca/~hunt<http://people.stu.ca/~hunt>

Filter= [log in to unmask]

This also works with wildcards. So if your poster always uses the same
name on different domains, the line would look like this:

Filter= rouge@*

Or always the same domain with different names:

Filter= *@poster.net

Karen Reznek

On 2/24/19 6:45 PM, Russell Hunt wrote:
> I have a colleague who is listowner of a list I like a lot. Recently a
> rogue poster has started posting weird irrelevant stuff (Spanish
> obscenities, as far as I can tell) – but he subscribes, posts a few,
> then unsubs. I don’t think he changes email addresses. I’m wondering if
> there’s a way to block someone from subscribing at all?

From: "Lawrence Finch":
> The best way to deal with this is to force new subscribers to be moderated
> until they make a meaningful post. That’s just a matter of setting the
> list defaults to “no post”, then removing that restriction after a new
> user posts appropriately. This would also solve the problem if the
> recalcitrant poster changes email addresses.

Actually, you could set the subscriber default to "review" to force them to
be moderated. (If the list accepts posts from non-subscribers, the default
applies to them, too.)

I think "no post" would actually block them from posting at all, rather than
allowing an opportunity for review. And while that might be effective with
this particular troublemaker, it's probably not what you want for new
participants in general.

Hal Keen

You are correct. That’s what I meant, even if it isn’t what I posted.

Larry

> On Feb 24, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Hal Keen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: "Lawrence Finch":
>> The best way to deal with this is to force new subscribers to be moderated until they make a meaningful post. That’s just a matter of setting the list defaults to “no post”, then removing that restriction after a new user posts appropriately. This would also solve the problem if the recalcitrant poster changes email addresses.
>
> Actually, you could set the subscriber default to "review" to force them to be moderated. (If the list accepts posts from non-subscribers, the default applies to them, too.)
>
> I think "no post" would actually block them from posting at all, rather than allowing an opportunity for review. And while that might be effective with this particular troublemaker, it's probably not what you want for new participants in general.
>
> Hal Keen
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 23:45:22 +0000, Russell Hunt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> but he subscribes, posts a few, then unsubs. I don?t think he changes email addresses. I?m wondering if there?s a way to block someone from subscribing at all?

Setting the errant person's address to NOPOST will prevent them from posting
to the list, but if they unsubscribe, that setting gets lost.

Putting them in the

Filter= Also, baduser@address

list is effective to prevent posting or subscribing. As Karen noted this
List Header setting does support wildcards.

Another thing only a LISTSERV POSTMASTER (i.e. Site Admin) can do is to
command:

Quiet serve baduser@address off drop

This causes LISTSERV to forever ignore any/all emails from that address,
regardless of whether an attempt to post a message, or any command such as
subscribe, or even unsubscribe. Unfortunately the SERVE command does not
support wildcards, so if the baduser keeps changing their address this can
become a challenge to keep up.

You can do that, but it will result in the system sending you 190
separate OK confirmation codes that you would have to process one at a time.

To avoid that inconvenience, make an "ok batch" instead.

See section 2.12.7 The "OK" Confirmation Mechanism here:
http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/15.5/htmlhelp/list%20owners%20-%20advanced/StartingMailingLists.4.1.html

The discussion there suggests putting no more than "10-12 commands" in a
batch, but it works just fine with hundreds at a time.

Alternatively, you could "quiet set listname nopost for *@*" and then
set post for only the selected ten. Depends on which set of data you
happen to have most handy for generating the commands from.

On 2/5/2019 3:28 PM, Greg Bautista wrote:
> My list already has 200 people subscribed. Of these 200 people, there are 190 that I want to set as NOPOST. Can I do this with the following, which I would send to the listserv as a command email? I am assuming that I can include 190 lines of text in my command email, yes? In other words, 1 line for each of the 190 users.
>
> On a related note: I am aware that I can set the configuration of the list to NOPOST by default. I know how to do it, but there are certain reasons (which I cannot detail here) for which I do not wish to set NOPOST to be a default setting.
>
> QUIET SET listname NOPOST FOR user1@address
> QUIET SET listname NOPOST FOR user3@address
> QUIET SET listname NOPOST FOR user3@address
> QUIET SET listname NOPOST FOR user4@address
> QUIET SET listname NOPOST FOR user5@address
> QUIET SET listname NOPOST FOR user6@address
> QUIET SET listname NOPOST FOR user7@address
>

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Keep in mind that changing the default in the configuration does not change any existing subscribers. It only changes the default for new subscribers.

Also, there’s a more efficient way using batch commands. It’s a little complicated, so you are better off looking it up. It’s similar to IBM mainframe //job commands.

Larry

> On Feb 5, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Greg Bautista <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> My list already has 200 people subscribed. Of these 200 people, there are 190 that I want to set as NOPOST. Can I do this with the following, which I would send to the listserv as a command email? I am assuming that I can include 190 lines of text in my command email, yes? In other words, 1 line for each of the 190 users.
>
> On a related note: I am aware that I can set the configuration of the list to NOPOST by default. I know how to do it, but there are certain reasons (which I cannot detail here) for which I do not wish to set NOPOST to be a default setting.
>
> QUIET SET listname NOPOST FOR user1@address
> QUIET SET listname NOPOST FOR user3@address
> QUIET SET listname NOPOST FOR user3@address
> QUIET SET listname NOPOST FOR user4@address
> QUIET SET listname NOPOST FOR user5@address
> QUIET SET listname NOPOST FOR user6@address
> QUIET SET listname NOPOST FOR user7@address
>
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I would recommend doing this through the Subscriber Report page of the web interface, if it's available to you.

1. Under List Management -> List Reports, select Subscriber Reports.
2. Place a check mark next to Restrictions if it is not already present. Click Submit to display the Restrictions column, if you have to place a checkmark.
3. At the bottom of the page, enter 200 in the box labeled Subscribers per Page:. This way, you can set restrictions for your entire subscription list at once. Click Submit to refresh the page and display all subscribers.
4. Click "Check All" at the upper left corner of the subscriber list.
5. Go through the list and UNCHECK the names/addresses of the individuals you DO WANT TO POST.
6. At the bottom of the Restrictions column, select No Post from the available options.
7. If you want to send an email to all subscribers notifying them of the change, place a checkmark next to "Send email notification of changes" in the lower right corner. By default, a notification will not be sent.
8. Click on Submit.

All subscribers with a checkmark will now silently be set to NO POST.

Alternately, you can configure the header to SEND= Editor and list the ten addresses as editors. Or simply [log in to unmask],[log in to unmask],[log in to unmask],etc. so that only those specific addresses can send to the list at all anyway.

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Michael Crocker | IT Manager
Service Desk | Division of Information Technology
Texas A&M University
3363 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-3363
Tel. 979.845.8300 | [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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Good afternoon,

I did some double-checking in the documentation for the SEND= keyword and found the following in the Listserv web interface help wizard:

Send= Editor,Hold,Confirm,All
forces all posters to validate their own postings before they are submitted to the editor for final approval.

This sounds like exactly what you are wanting: Individual non-editor posters approve their own messages, and then they are sent to an editor for further approval. Editor messages require confirmation by the editor before they are approved as well.

My apologies if I misread your question.

- -

Michael Crocker | IT Manager

Service Desk | Division of Information Technology

Texas A&M University

3363 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-3363
Tel. 979.845.8300 | [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>

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IT.tamu.edu

You can turn off the automatic delete feature. That way you will get a notification every time a user’s mail provider rejects a message. You can then follow up manually to determine why it was rejected.

Larry

> On Sep 28, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Russell Hunt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I have encountered a problem with subscribers having their incoming emails from a list blocked by spam filters, specifically because the server at the host university has been identified as a spammer. The host listserv then deletes the subscriber, because of consecutive bounces. I’m trying to ascertain how widespread the problem is: I only know of two specific cases, but I’m sure there must be more (the two cases I know of are at one university, but I am fairly sure that there should have been more subscribers there, and the filter is operated for many institutions by IBM).
>
> Is there a way to identify subscribers who have been deleted from the list because of bounced messages in the past?
>
> Russ
>
> Russ Hunt
> Professor Emeritus of English
> St. Thomas University
> people.stu.ca/~hunt <http://people.stu.ca/~hunt>
>
>
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Has IBM been contacted? You don't identify the List, but as I recall, there are a number of MVS lists. Whether this is one, I cannot say, but, whether it is or not, I would think it is something IBM might be concerned about as well. If a filter has been misconfigured (for example), it might happen to other lists.

OTOH, they might be filtering it themselves (lists we had that were "controversial" typically included a disclaimer as part of a TOP_ or BOTTOM_ banner).

Thanks for the responses.

Larry and Pete suggest turning off auto-delete, which would solve the problem in future, but won't let me solve the immediate issue, which is figuring out how serious this is. How many subscribers have been auto-deleted over the past few months for bounced emails? If they're only a couple, or only ones at that institution, I'll know more about where and how important this is. F.J. Kelley asks,

> Has IBM been contacted? You don't identify the List, but as I recall, there are
> a number of MVS lists. Whether this is one, I cannot say, but, whether it is or
> not, I would think it is something IBM might be concerned about as well. If a
> filter has been misconfigured (for example), it might happen to other lists.

I don't know about this; according to the admin at the server where the email was bounced,

> We are using Barracuda as our mail gateway, which using IBM's Coboin as one of the
> spam filter source. The listserver hosting the . . . list (IP#) has been
> flagged high rate of SPAM by Coboin repeatedly. That's why the delivery was rejected,
> which caused the list automatically removed [user's] address.

He has suggested the admin at the host of the list contact IBM; I'm hoping they will, and that this will solve the problem. I'd still like to have an idea how widespread the problem has been (ideally, a list of blocked users so I could email them and asked if they'd wanted to be blocked). 

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If this keyword for your list: Change-Log= No |
Yes[,Yearly|Monthly|Weekly|Daily|Single]
was set to something other than "NO" before the time period you're
interested in, you can look at the log and see what's happened, but I'm
not sure you can always tell why for a particular action, though.

If you are not receiving a Daily Error Monitoring Report (DEMR) when
there are delivery errors for subscribers of your list, review the
"Auto-Delete=" and "Errors-To=" keywords, so you'll be notified of any
future issues as they occur.

On 9/28/2018 10:42 AM, Russell Hunt wrote:
>
> I have encountered a problem with subscribers having their incoming
> emails from a list blocked by spam filters, specifically because the
> server at the host university has been identified as a spammer. The
> host listserv then deletes the subscriber, because of consecutive
> bounces. I�m trying to ascertain how widespread the problem is: I only
> know of two specific cases, but I�m sure there must be more (the two
> cases I know of are at one university, but I am fairly sure that there
> should have been more subscribers there, and the filter is operated
> for many institutions by IBM).
>
> Is there a way to identify subscribers who have been deleted from the
> list because of bounced messages in the past?
>

Russ responds ...

"He has suggested the admin at the host of the list contact IBM; I'm hoping they will, and that this will solve the problem. I'd still like to have an idea how widespread the problem has been (ideally, a list of blocked users so I could email them and asked if they'd wanted to be blocked)."

It would be good if the sysadmin at the site checked, however, you may want to do some checking as well. You might notify your Listserv site administrator about this.

If this is really peculiar to "IBM's Coboin as one of the spam filter source. " it may be a while in unraveling what is happening. If you can get them, the SMTP logs at the site may have an explanation of what is happening. You'll need the Message-ID of the mail in question; the sysadmins need that to search the logs. There is always a possibility this is related to mail standards, but I thought Listserv 16.* had resolved that.

In the meantime, the suggestions regarding Auto-Delete can be useful (but you can't keep that on too long, the logs just fill up with junk). Anyway, best of luck (these kind of things can drag on forever).
--Joe

Thanks, Joe.

> It would be good if the sysadmin at the site checked, however, you may want to do some checking as well.
> You might notify your Listserv site administrator about this.

I've done that. I'm not convinced they see it as their problem, or at least that they did the first couple of times it came up.

> If this is really peculiar to "IBM's Coboin as one of the spam filter source. " it may be a while in unraveling
> what is happening. If you can get them, the SMTP logs at the site may have an explanation of what is happening.
> You'll need the Message-ID of the mail in question; the sysadmins need that to search the logs. There is always
>a possibility this is related to mail standards, but I thought Listserv 16.* had resolved that.

I did, too.

> In the meantime, the suggestions regarding Auto-Delete can be useful (but you can't keep that on too long,
> the logs just fill up with junk).

Yes, that's why it's set the way it is.

> Anyway, best of luck (these kind of things can drag on forever).

Thanks for the encouragement . . .

This list, by the way has been among the most consistently helpful of any group I've ever consulted about tech issues (the old PMail list was similarly responsive).

-- Russ

k p says,

* If this keyword for your list: Change-Log= No | Yes[,Yearly|Monthly|Weekly|Daily|Single]
was set to something other than "NO" before the time period you're interested in, you can look at the log and see what's happened, but I'm not sure you can always tell why for a particular action, though.

If I'm looking in the right place - the list configuration - there is no line with a Change-Log= in it. What I have is this:

Review= Owner
Subscription= Open,Confirm
Send= Private
Notify= Yes
Reply-to= List,Respect
Files= No
Attachments= No,filter
Sizelim= 500
Validate= No
Ack= Yes
Confidential= Yes
Notebook= Yes,/listserv/archives,Monthly,Public
Language= HTML
Misc-options= UTF8_Header,KEEP_EXCHANGE_DATA
Digest= Yes,/listserv/archives,Daily,0300
Errors-To= Owner
Auto-Delete= Yes,Full-Auto,Max(100)
Subject-Tag= STLHE-L:
Default-Options= SUBJ
Misc-Options= DISCARD_HTML
[log in to unmask] (Russ Hunt)

Should I be looking elsewhere?

* Russ

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Consult your site administrator about their viewpoint on using the
keyword, before you add the line to your list header.

Your choice of interval depends on how busy the list subscribers are
(join, leave, SET), and how often you think you might want to review the
history. I favor monthly, myself. The changelog is described here:
https://www.lsoft.com/manuals/16.0/listkeyw.html

If you don't have a changelog and you are not receiving the DEMR either,
you're left clueless about the status of your subscriber population over
time.

On 9/28/2018 3:18 PM, Russell Hunt wrote:
>
> k p says,
>
> * If this keyword for your list: Change-Log= No |
> Yes[,Yearly|Monthly|Weekly|Daily|Single]
> was set to something other than "NO" before the time period you're
> interested in, you can look at the log and see what's happened,
> but I'm not sure you can always tell why for a particular action,
> though.
>
> If I�m looking in the right place � the list configuration � there is
> no line with a Change-Log= in it.
>

Russ:

"I've done that. I'm not convinced they see it as their problem, or at least that they did the first couple of times it came up. "

Yeah. No. If the site is blocking mail from "[log in to unmask]" that is a list owner problem. Maybe something in any template used or whatever …

But if it is blocking your host "listserv.domain" then the site administrator may have a problem. You can check:
1. set up another list … no special configuration say "RUSS-TEST").
2. You'll need to work with your site admin and the sysadmin on the receiving site, and maybe some of the (former) subscribers.
3. Add the some (volunteer) subscribers at the problem site and a few others.

4. Send mail to the new list (does not have to be weighty stuff … test 1, test 2 etc are fine -- does have to have a "Subject:" though)

5. Is the new stuff rejected? If so, it is your site, not simply your list.

(oh yeah, don't forget to delete the test list when no longer needed)

Solving (or even correctly identifying) these is not always straightforward. I recall a lot of owners and admins threw in the towel when the mail header problem came up. And not without reason. If resolution is not possible (can happen) do what you can to notify the subscribers of the problem. Don't try to assign blame -- won't work and you may be seeing something that will takes months (years) to undo.

Again, best wishes on resolving this.
--Joe

Pete –

Thank you. This is brilliant; worked like a charm.

Except: “There were no entries matching your reporting criteria.”

For the whole last year, for a list with about 1600 subscribers. That goes for both Spam_Complaint and Autodel, and for both separately. And for everything else I tried, including changing the report type to Statistics: I guess the records don’t exist? Or, perhaps, aren’t accessible to listowners?

* Russ

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Peter M. Weiss
Sent: September 28, 2018 5:11 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: records of past subscribers

My guess is that changelog is turned on by default.

Next, logon to your listserv host (using your list-owner address); make sure you are in EXPORT mode (don't click EXPERT or that will put you in BASIC); click on LIST MANAGEMENT (first tab), mouseover LIST REPORTS, mouseover LIST ACTIVITY REPORTS.

Select appropriate list from the dropdown;

REPORT TYPE: chx HISTORY REPORT

REPORT ENTRIES: chk SPAM_COMPLAINT and AUTODEL

REPORT INTERNAL: (select a start date)

+ any other options that might be worthwhile

Click SUMBIT

k p says,

* Consult your site administrator about their viewpoint on using the keyword, before you add the line to your list header.
I'll do this if it looks as though it's going to be necessary: right now I've asked the site admin for help with the problem and nothing's happened - nor will now, probably, till after the weekend.

* If you don't have a changelog and you are not receiving the DEMR either, you're left clueless about the status of your subscriber population over time.
I think clueless pretty well describes it.

* Russ

I'd try setting up another list, as Joe suggests, if I had direct access, but every new list goes through an approval process and I probably couldn't do it, as I'm listowner by courtesy. I've run this list for 20 years, but a few years ago the university hosting it decided only faculty members there could own lists. We found someone to be the authorized owner, and I have access because I'm the only one we could find who was interested in maintaining the list.
> Solving (or even correctly identifying) these is not always straightforward.
> I recall a lot of owners and admins threw in the towel when the mail header problem came up.
> And not without reason. If resolution is not possible (can happen) do what you can to
> notify the subscribers of the problem.
That's the problem, really. Subscribers still on the list don't _have_ the problem; I don't have any way to find out who's been bounced in order to contact them. Most people who've been bounced would never know (until, perhaps, they tried to post; it's a Send=Private list). And it's not particularly active -- currently a couple of dozen posts a month -- and people wouldn't realize they were off.

The list was begun, sometime a bit earlier than 1991, as a mainly discussion list, but in recent years has become pretty much all announcements -- calls for papers, job adverts, publication and conference announcements. I'm beginning to think that LISTSERV may no longer be the appropriate software (and the university hosting it might not object to losing it; I suspect it's the only one running on their server that extends internationally, and I also suspect it's something of a PITA). 

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Russ says:

"... a few years ago the university hosting it decided only faculty members there could own lists. …"

Yeah. we sort of had that for class discussion lists. Of course, it ended with the TA's and administrative assistants running the List. Even as "quiet owners". Sometimes there were even "shared passwords" (heaven forefend). The idea most of the faculty wanted to manage their lists was a somewhat quaint holdover of some of the (very) early lists (or a very unclear notion of what was involved). However, if your University has made such a determination, and your site admin won't assist, I do not see a clear path for you. Especially as many (most? all?) of the affected parties have been deleted. At one time, there was some thought Usenet newsgroups could replace the listserver. We see how those have ended up. Now I gather there is a thought of using Microsoft Groups (not sure which) for the job. Advantage would be reasonably good support for Groups. Disadvantage is shifting ideas of groups and the idea they really should be administered with PowerShell (which is a great tool, and I sure liked it) but might scare off new folks.

Well, continue to wish you well with this,
--Joe

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:42:44 +0000, Russell Hunt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Is there a way to identify subscribers who have been deleted from the list because of bounced messages in the past?

(I haven't read all the msgs in this thread, but most seem to address
adjusting the Auto-Delete settings or taking other external actions. Those
are fine ideas, but I will address the above question more directly.)

List Owners may add the list configuration line:

Change-Log= Yes
or
Change-Log= Yes, Yearly

This begins a per-list log of all list change actions including subscribes,
adds, deletes, autodels, delivery changes (e.g. mail to digest), msgs
posted, etc. Note that the log begins when this setting is added to the
list configuration, so any events prior to that are not recorded.

(As a Site Manager, I make this setting a default configuration for all
lists on my servers. There is no good reason not to collect this
information, exactly to have it available to answer the above or other
common questions, such as list posting activity or list growth over time.
The disk space used is minimal.)

The changelog information is neatly displayed in the WWW interface:
List Management > List Reports > List Activity Reports

You can see this page, even if you don't yet have Change-logs enabled.

Again, this won't help past autodels, but you will be better prepared for
future questions.

Thanks, Ben. I'll do this (if I can; it's not clear to me why the list admin hasn't done it, and they may have reasons), but my immediate problem -- which I don't think I can solve -- is to identify people who were dumped off the list in the last few months, and without a Change-Log already in existence, I think I'm SOL.

Next time, if there is one, I'll be prepared. That's what they all say . . .

-- Russ

-----Original Message-----
From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Ben Parker
Sent: September 29, 2018 10:18 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: records of past subscribers

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:42:44 +0000, Russell Hunt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Is there a way to identify subscribers who have been deleted from the list because of bounced messages in the past?

(I haven't read all the msgs in this thread, but most seem to address adjusting the Auto-Delete settings or taking other external actions. Those are fine ideas, but I will address the above question more directly.)

List Owners may add the list configuration line:

Change-Log= Yes
or
Change-Log= Yes, Yearly

This begins a per-list log of all list change actions including subscribes, adds, deletes, autodels, delivery changes (e.g. mail to digest), msgs posted, etc. Note that the log begins when this setting is added to the list configuration, so any events prior to that are not recorded.

(As a Site Manager, I make this setting a default configuration for all lists on my servers. There is no good reason not to collect this information, exactly to have it available to answer the above or other common questions, such as list posting activity or list growth over time.
The disk space used is minimal.) 

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The list shows as ERRORS-To=Owner and [log in to unmask], which in conjunction with Auto-Delete=Yes,Full-Auto should indicate you would get a message when auto-delete deleted a subscriber due to non-delivery issues.

If you get the Daily Error Monitoring Report, deleted users show up at the top of the report:

"The following 66 subscribers were deleted from the LIST-L list today:

emailaddress@domain
Last error was [..]"

This also corresponds with the entries in the listserv log file:

27 Sep 2018 00:00:09 -> Deleted emailaddress@domain from LIST-L

If the server admin checked the listserv.log file on the server, for the string '-> Deleted' and your list's name (LIST-L), that should show you who was auto deleted. Otherwise, I'd check DEMR for deletions, if any.

Cheers,
Tad

Thanks, Tad. I had thought I should get those error messages, but I don't think I have been: what I do get are messages when someone subscribes to the list. Perhaps that’s the most immediate puzzle to solve: where are those messages? As far as I know there's no filter on my Outlook system (although I have to admit I've been resisting Outlook since I was forced on to it . . . ).

I'll see if I can get the server admin to look for this information.

-- Russ

-----Original Message-----
From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Tad Nishina
Sent: October 1, 2018 3:52 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: records of past subscribers

The list shows as ERRORS-To=Owner and [log in to unmask], which in conjunction with Auto-Delete=Yes,Full-Auto should indicate you would get a message when auto-delete deleted a subscriber due to non-delivery issues.

If you get the Daily Error Monitoring Report, deleted users show up at the top of the report:

"The following 66 subscribers were deleted from the LIST-L list today:

emailaddress@domain
Last error was [..]"

This also corresponds with the entries in the listserv log file:

27 Sep 2018 00:00:09 -> Deleted emailaddress@domain from LIST-L

If the server admin checked the listserv.log file on the server, for the string '-> Deleted' and your list's name (LIST-L), that should show you who was auto deleted. Otherwise, I'd check DEMR for deletions, if any.

Cheers,
Tad

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> What’s the command for getting the bottom
> banner of a list?

In addition to Pete's response, if your list has a web interface then log in and navigate to List Management -> Customisation -> Mail Templates. Select the 'Top and Bottom Banners' category. There are TWO banners you'll need to edit: BOTTOM_BANNER and BOTTOM_BANNER_HTML; it's important to do both for consistency. (Note: don't edit the DEFAULT versions of these templates or your customisations will be overwritten in the next software update.)

If you get stuck, click the handy '?' Help icon in the upper right-hand corner of the page for detailed instructions.

--
Michael Shannon
[log in to unmask]

Dear LSTOWN-L readers,

Thanks to Pete and Michael for their helpful responses. I was unaware of what Michael drew my attention to, namely, that there are different places that you need to record the bottom banner: one for plain text, one for HTML.

Sincerely - Ian

Ian Fairclough
George Mason University
[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>

Hi,

Please forgive the reply to this email instead of starting a new thread,
but I sent an email a couple of weeks ago and no one responded so I thought
maybe I sent it incorrectly or something. Here is the earlier message:

***
Hi,

I am working on a project using Mallet software to study the themes that
historians of economics have discussed in the SHOE list, which is LISTSERV
available here:

https://listserv.yorku.ca/archives/shoe.html

I am hoping to download the entire SHOE list archive. I think I can use
either a single txt file or as a set of individual message txt files. But
how exactly can I do this?

I asked York U IT, but they said I can search the archive and download them
one by one which is silly because there are 16K messages.

Thank you for any help or advice you can give me.

***

If you have any thoughts on how to proceed, please let me know. I asked
LISTSERV tech support and they did confirm that there is a folder with all
of the messages so I should be able to tell York U to zip it and let me
download it, but I thought I would try this forum to see if you have other
suggestions because I'm pretty sure York U is not going to be helpful.

Thanks again,

Humberto

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:10 AM, Ian Fairclough <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Dear LSTOWN-L readers,
>
>
>
> Thanks to Pete and Michael for their helpful responses. I was unaware of
> what Michael drew my attention to, namely, that there are different places
> that you need to record the bottom banner: one for plain text, one for
> HTML.
>
>
>
> Sincerely - Ian
>
>
>
> Ian Fairclough
>
> George Mason University
>
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> To unsubscribe from the LSTOWN-L list, click the following link:
> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L&A=1
>

I did see answers to your post. Three possible options:

USE NOTEBOOKS. The archive is just a web presentation of the list’s notebooks. You can download those notebooks, which are text files.

To find what notebooks exist send a message to listserv@<your site url> containing, in the body of the message:

INDEX SHOE

You can then download individual files with

GET SHOE <notebook name>

You an put multiple file names in the request.

USE WGET

wget is a command-line Unix command that will download an entire website, or parts of it. Check the man pages for details, or get help from a Unix/Linux guru.

USE THE BUILT IN DATABASE FUNCTIONS

Listserv has a good database interface. Get the List Owner’s manual from the l-soft website for details on how to use it.

Best regards,
Larry

> On Sep 20, 2018, at 9:16 AM, Humberto Barreto <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Please forgive the reply to this email instead of starting a new thread, but I sent an email a couple of weeks ago and no one responded so I thought maybe I sent it incorrectly or something. Here is the earlier message:
>
> ***
> Hi,
>
> I am working on a project using Mallet software to study the themes that historians of economics have discussed in the SHOE list, which is LISTSERV available here:
>
> https://listserv.yorku.ca/archives/shoe.html <https://listserv.yorku.ca/archives/shoe.html>
>
> I am hoping to download the entire SHOE list archive. I think I can use either a single txt file or as a set of individual message txt files. But how exactly can I do this?
>
> I asked York U IT, but they said I can search the archive and download them one by one which is silly because there are 16K messages.
>
> Thank you for any help or advice you can give me.
>
> ***
>
> If you have any thoughts on how to proceed, please let me know. I asked LISTSERV tech support and they did confirm that there is a folder with all of the messages so I should be able to tell York U to zip it and let me download it, but I thought I would try this forum to see if you have other suggestions because I'm pretty sure York U is not going to be helpful.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Humberto
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:10 AM, Ian Fairclough <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> Dear LSTOWN-L readers,
>
>
>
> Thanks to Pete and Michael for their helpful responses. I was unaware of what Michael drew my attention to, namely, that there are different places that you need to record the bottom banner: one for plain text, one for HTML.
>
>
>
> Sincerely - Ian
>
>
>
> Ian Fairclough
>
> George Mason University
>
> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from the LSTOWN-L list, click the following link:
> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L&A=1 <http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L&A=1>
>
>
> --
>
> Humberto Barreto
> Q. G. Noblitt Professor of Economics and Management
> DePauw University
> 765-365-4099
>
> www.depauw.edu/learn/econexcel <http://www.depauw.edu/learn/econexcel>
> ideas.repec.org/f/pba1125.html <http://ideas.repec.org/f/pba1125.html>
> To unsubscribe from the LSTOWN-L list, click the following link:
> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L&A=1 <http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L&A=1>

Thank you. Peter also replied off-list to me that he had replied with INDEX
& GET. I'll try that and WGET if that fails.

I don't know how I missed it. Sorry about that.

Thank you for your help. It looks promising.

B

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Lawrence Finch <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> I did see answers to your post. Three possible options:
>
> USE NOTEBOOKS. The archive is just a web presentation of the list’s
> notebooks. You can download those notebooks, which are text files.
>
> To find what notebooks exist send a message to listserv@<your site url>
> containing, in the body of the message:
>
> INDEX SHOE
>
> You can then download individual files with
>
> GET SHOE <notebook name>
>
> You an put multiple file names in the request.
>
>
> USE WGET
>
> wget is a command-line Unix command that will download an entire website,
> or parts of it. Check the man pages for details, or get help from a
> Unix/Linux guru.
>
> USE THE BUILT IN DATABASE FUNCTIONS
>
> Listserv has a good database interface. Get the List Owner’s manual from
> the l-soft website for details on how to use it.
>
> Best regards,
> Larry
>
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 9:16 AM, Humberto Barreto <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Please forgive the reply to this email instead of starting a new thread,
> but I sent an email a couple of weeks ago and no one responded so I thought
> maybe I sent it incorrectly or something. Here is the earlier message:
>
> ***
> Hi,
>
> I am working on a project using Mallet software to study the themes that
> historians of economics have discussed in the SHOE list, which is LISTSERV
> available here:
>
> https://listserv.yorku.ca/archives/shoe.html
>
>
> I am hoping to download the entire SHOE list archive. I think I can use
> either a single txt file or as a set of individual message txt files. But
> how exactly can I do this?
>
> I asked York U IT, but they said I can search the archive and download
> them one by one which is silly because there are 16K messages.
>
> Thank you for any help or advice you can give me.
>
> ***
>
> If you have any thoughts on how to proceed, please let me know. I asked
> LISTSERV tech support and they did confirm that there is a folder with all
> of the messages so I should be able to tell York U to zip it and let me
> download it, but I thought I would try this forum to see if you have other
> suggestions because I'm pretty sure York U is not going to be helpful.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Humberto
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:10 AM, Ian Fairclough <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Dear LSTOWN-L readers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to Pete and Michael for their helpful responses. I was unaware of
>> what Michael drew my attention to, namely, that there are different places
>> that you need to record the bottom banner: one for plain text, one for
>> HTML.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely - Ian
>>
>>
>>
>> Ian Fairclough
>>
>> George Mason University
>>
>> [log in to unmask]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> To unsubscribe from the LSTOWN-L list, click the following link:
>> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L&A=1
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Humberto Barreto
> Q. G. Noblitt Professor of Economics and Management
> DePauw University
> 765-365-4099
>
> www.depauw.edu/learn/econexcel
> ideas.repec.org/f/pba1125.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> To unsubscribe from the LSTOWN-L list, click the following link:
> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L&A=1
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> To unsubscribe from the LSTOWN-L list, click the following link:
> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L&A=1
> 

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On 9/3/2018 8:57 PM, Michael Wishart wrote:
> But I can't see how to set this with the web interface, as if I set Send=Private it doesn't allow moderation.

I have moderated lists with Send= Private. ?

Russ,

> I had a message posted to a list I own that was clearly spam, or a
> phishing expedition. It was identified as from a subscriber, but when I
> looked to see the return address, it was "on behalf of" this:
>
> [log in to unmask]

This is a replacement address generated by Listserv because some
domains--including Yahoo, I believe--have set up DMARC instructions that
obstruct delivery through lists of any messages that originate in those
domains. This address is not particularly helpful, but it is legitimate.

> In the list archive, it's identified as coming from his actual address, on
> yahoo. He didn't send it, for sure. The message content is simply a link,
> to a company which does seem to exist but which looks, um, questionable to
> me.

Yahoo committed some cardinal sins regarding security of user accounts, some
time ago. They allowed some accounts to be taken over by spammers, unless
the real owners acted quickly to change their passwords. And they weren't
very timely in notifying the users, either.

When you say "He didn't send it, for sure," are you basing that on your
confidence in the subscriber, or on actual communication with him? Not that
I doubt the basis for your confidence, but it's possible his entire
subscribed account is no longer under his control. I would at least put that
subscription on REVIEW until that question is settled.

> I'm not sure where the "on behalf of" information comes from; it might be
> Outlook, which is the mail program I've been reduced to using, and which I
> detest, partly because it hides actual email addresses. 

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This list is such an amazing resource, after all these years (still crazy, I guess).

Thanks to Hal and Pete; I'm sure they've identified exactly the problem (Yahoo: who'd have guessed?), and I can pass the information on to my subscriber.

Not many places left on the Internet -- or anywhere else, for that matter -- where you can ask a question and actually get a useful answer from a human being.

-- Russ

On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 20:11:39 +0000, Russell Hunt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>I'm not sure where the "on behalf of" information comes from; it might be Outlook, which is the mail program I've been reduced to using, and which I detest, partly because it hides actual email addresses.

This is a FAQ. Answer may be found at the List Owner's FAQ page at L-Soft:
http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/owner-faq.stm#_Toc507492662

Yes, it comes from Outlook. It is how Outlook displays the email when the
From: (message author) field is differerent from the Sender: field
(List-Address).

Thanks, Ben. But what I didn't understand (but do now) was why what appeared in the field wasn't the sender's address, but that 00000028194b0977-dmarc-request address. I didn't find that in the FAQ.

-- Russ

On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 23:38:17 +0000, Russell Hunt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Thanks, Ben. But what I didn't understand (but do now) was why what appeared in the field wasn't the sender's address, but that 00000028194b0977-dmarc-request address. I didn't find that in the FAQ.

Maybe an explanation of that dmarc-request address should be in the
List-Owners FAQ as well. I'll make that suggestion to L-Soft.

Documentation on the DMARC feature goes back to when that feature was
introduced, in May 2014.
http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/16.0/LISTSERV16.0-2014b_WhatsNew.pdf

I recall there was a lot of discussion at about that time on LSTSRV-L. I
would assume that most List-Owners would have seen this before now and know
that it is generated by LISTSERV. FWIW. ;-)

Lax security on Yahoo, AOL, and now presumably Verizon (whose email
accounts are now being managed by AOL) is the reason anyone with those
email accounts stays permanently on REVIEW. That has kept a lot of spam
off of my lists.

Karen Reznek

On 6/25/18 6:25 PM, Hal Keen wrote:

> Yahoo committed some cardinal sins regarding security of user accounts,
> some time ago. They allowed some accounts to be taken over by spammers,
> unless the real owners acted quickly to change their passwords. And they
> weren't very timely in notifying the users, either.

I haven't done this since 16d so can't guarantee the exact steps, but you can
test first before committing.

Generally, you would issue a HOLD list command, then GET the digest. Edit and
then PUT the DIGEST with the NOLock command, then FREE the list.

You can test this first by just seeing if you can Get the digest

GET <listname> DIGEST NOLock pw=password

If that works, then
HOLD <listname> pw=
GET <listname> DIGEST pw=
PUT <listname> DIGEST NOLOCK pw=

I think I have an accurate recollection of an LSoft technical person saying once that this should not be done with a digest that is still in the process of being compiled and has not yet gone out to distribution, as this throws something or other out of synch. I don’t know if there is some kind of work-around to avoid this.

Charles Clausen
ppml-info.org

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 00:47:30 -0700, Randy Ryan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>I haven't done this since 16d so can't guarantee the exact steps, but you can
>test first before committing.
>
>Generally, you would issue a HOLD list command, then GET the digest. Edit and
>then PUT the DIGEST with the NOLock command, then FREE the list.
>
>You can test this first by just seeing if you can Get the digest
>
>GET <listname> DIGEST NOLock pw=password
>
>If that works, then
>HOLD <listname> pw=
>GET <listname> DIGEST pw=
>PUT <listname> DIGEST NOLOCK pw=
>

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How did I not know that? Thank you! Thank you so much. I take it this
command has to be issued either via email or the command line interface,
but not via the GUI proper?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Peter M. Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Make sure this person's new email address is in the OWNER= (and other list
> definition keywords)
>
> Have postmaster / listserv admin issue:
>
> CHANGE * old_rfc822 new_rfc822 PW=xxxxxxx
>
> ------------------------------
>
> To unsubscribe from the LSTOWN-L list, click the following link:
> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?SUBED1=LSTOWN-L&A=1
>

The subscriber may change their subscribed address for all lists by
sending a CHANGE command like this:
� change * newaddr
�It must be sent from the currently-subscribed address and results in
an OK confirmation request being sent back to that address.

A POSTMASTER may use this version to affect the subscribed address in
all lists, a List Owner may affect all lists they own:
�change * oldaddr newaddr

https://www.lsoft.com/manuals/16.0/htmlhelp/list%20subscribers/LSCommands.html

There is no simple way to change settings in multiple list header files,
such as an owner address - unless you plan for this ahead of time.� One
way is to specify a LIST as Owner= in the header files of the lists,
then you can change the effective owner of of them all by changing the
subscribers of the specified list.� Another way is to use keyword files
and the .IK directive in the header files, but this requires direct file
system access to the server, there isn't a web interface method to
update a keyword file, so far as I know.

On 4/10/2018 11:25 AM, John Adams wrote:
> Hi, folks,
>
> � � �I've got a user who is subscribed to a bunch of lists, some under
> one�email address�and some under another. The user is also a
> listowner, again under both�email addresses.
>
> � � �I'd like to move all of them to the current email address. How do
> you do this expeditiously?
>
> Thanks,
>
> � � �John A

The Owner=<LIST> hack is pretty slick and I wish I'd known about it some
time ago!

The most efficient way I've found of changing header information en masse
ad hoc etc cetera is to write a little script to pop me open multiple tabs
with each list set to manual configuration, then tab through the tabs* once
to make and submit the edit, then again to check and reload each tab to
double-check it.

*like tiptoeing through the tulips, but different

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:57 AM, k p <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> The subscriber may change their subscribed address for all lists by
> sending a CHANGE command like this:
> � change * newaddr
> �It must be sent from the currently-subscribed address and results in an
> OK confirmation request being sent back to that address.
>
> A POSTMASTER may use this version to affect the subscribed address in all
> lists, a List Owner may affect all lists they own:
> �change * oldaddr newaddr
>
> https://www.lsoft.com/manuals/16.0/htmlhelp/list%20subscribe
> rs/LSCommands.html
>
> There is no simple way to change settings in multiple list header files,
> such as an owner address - unless you plan for this ahead of time.� One
> way is to specify a LIST as Owner= in the header files of the lists, then
> you can change the effective owner of of them all by changing the
> subscribers of the specified list.� Another way is to use keyword files
> and the .IK directive in the header files, but this requires direct file
> system access to the server, there isn't a web interface method to update a
> keyword file, so far as I know.
>
> On 4/10/2018 11:25 AM, John Adams wrote:
>
>> Hi, folks,
>>
>> � � �I've got a user who is subscribed to a bunch of lists, some
>> under one�email address�and some under another. The user is also a
>> listowner, again under both�email addresses.
>>
>> � � �I'd like to move all of them to the current email address. How
>> do you do this expeditiously?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> � � �John A
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Hi, Hal,

I wish I could do that, but we have so many thousands of lists that I
have to do most of my work by hacking into the URLs and pasting in the
listname. I do a lot of jiggery-pokery for that reason.

Thanks,

John A

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Hal Keen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John Adams"
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:13 PM
>
> The most efficient way I've found of changing header information en masse
>> ad hoc etc cetera is to write a little script to pop me open multiple tabs
>> with each list set to manual configuration, then tab through the tabs*
>> once
>> to make and submit the edit, then again to check and reload each tab to
>> double-check it.
>>
>
> Have you tried using the
> List Management -> List Configuration -> Alphabetic Keyword List
> on the pulldown menus in the Web interface?
>
> You can make the change on the selected list, then just select the next
> list and repeat.
>
> Might not always be the method you want, but I've found it convenient.
>
> Hal Keen
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Thanks, Pete.

> One question that needs to be answered up front is who would have access to the archives after the move?

It would be meant to be open; it's seen as a kind of historical resource.

> If public, I think it would be easy to store the notebooks in Google Drive:

> https://drive.google.com/

I hadn't thought of that; I'd assumed that if we had server space ourselves it would be safer. But I'll look. What I'd had in mind was a search facility that would (for instance) let someone follow a thread, the way the current LISTSERV archive software does.

> OR maybe you could find a LISTSERV site willing to host the notebooks (and closed subscriber list)?

The alternative I'd thought of was to ask the University of Toronto if they'd do that -- but part of the problem I can see is that it would depend on a changing IT staff there to keep saving the space -- and maintaining LISTSERV.

-- Russ

Professor Emeritus of English
St. Thomas University
http://www.stu.ca/~hunt

Ian --

I'm looking. But two quick thoughts: it looks to me as though it works on live lists -- which, if so, would require us to keep the list in its current LISTSERV home, where the LISTSERV search software works fine; and I'm not clear whether GMANE's creator didn't actually abandon it a couple of years ago (<https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/>).

-- Russ

-- Russ Hunt
Professor Emeritus of English
St. Thomas University
http://www.stu.ca/~hunt

If you haven't done it already - you could enter "Repro" under your "Default-Options" keyword in your list header, in order to assure that all new subscribers are initially set to get copies of their own messages.

You may be aware that Gmail users never receive copies of their own distributed messages in their incoming mail. Google assumes that what is in your sent messages folder is all you need.

Charles Clausen

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 15:18:51 +0000, Ian Fairclough <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Hello again LSTOWN L readers,
>
>Thanks to a private response, I've succeeded in updating all subscribers.

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Check out the Listserv At Work Tech Tip, by Ben Parker:
http://www.lsoft.com/news/techtipLSV-issue2-2017.asp

Listserv now has a way to have replies from gmail addresses show up in
the senders inbox, so threads can be kept intact.

From: "Karen Reznek" <[log in to unmask]>

> Check out the Listserv At Work Tech Tip, by Ben Parker:
> http://www.lsoft.com/news/techtipLSV-issue2-2017.asp
>
> Listserv now has a way to have replies from gmail addresses show up in the
> senders inbox, so threads can be kept intact.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
> Basically, if you set
>
> Misc-Options= NEW_MESSAGE_ID

This looks great! Are there Listserv version requirements to consider, to be
sure it works?

Also, it looks like it creates a new message ID for each message, and it
will work regardless of whether we monkey around with ACK and REPRO settings
for subscribers. Of course, those with NOREPRO won't see their messages--but
I haven't been setting NOREPRO when setting ACK for Gmail subscribers
anyhow.

The combination ACK REPRO is perfectly functional, and the two settings are
independent, despite all the garbaged material in the Web interface that
pretends otherwise. you just can't set that combination except through the
command interface.

Hal Keen

On 3/12/18 5:20 PM, Hal Keen wrote:
> From: "Karen Reznek" <[log in to unmask]>

>> Misc-Options= NEW_MESSAGE_ID
>
> This looks great! Are there Listserv version requirements to consider,
> to be sure it works?

LISTSERV 16.0-2017a Level-Set, according to the Tech Tip.

Karen Reznek

I also had similar experiences to those Mari reported: Gmail users posting messages multiple times (because they didn't receive a copy), then complaining to the list owner that the list wasn't posting their messages.

I tried to implement the New_Message_ID option for my list, but discovered that it only works in Listserv version 16.0-2017a.

Since this is not installed at my institution, I threw in the towel and set all users to both ACK and REPRO. I also set this as the default for new users. The good news: Gmail users are happy. The bad news, non-Gmail users get a twofer (both a REPRO copy and an ACK message), which some might see as spam. Well over half our users are on Gmail, so it seemed like the way to go.

I apologized to the non-Gmail users for the additional ACK message. So far, no one has complained.

One oddity is in the web-based subscriber management page, the Acknowledgements section now displays a setting of: [Special or obsolete setting] for users, which is less than informative.

Bill Schults
Co-owner [log in to unmask]

It's been like that for many many years, I think the developers consider
having ACK and REPRO at the same time to be something weird, or perhaps
they thought it was a combination unlikely to occur.

On 3/13/2018 11:32 AM, William Schults wrote:

One oddity is in the web-based subscriber management page, the
Acknowledgements section now displays a setting of: [Special or obsolete
setting] for users, which is less than informative.

Is it possible that the ones for whom it doesn't work have independently set their preferences to NOACK or NOREPRO? I've never tried to override a subscriber's preferences, but that's partly because I wouldn't expect to be able to.

-- Russ

-- Russ Hunt
Professor Emeritus of English
St. Thomas University
http://www.stu.ca/~hunt

Instead, you can just copy/paste the message if there are no pictures.
It will get the job done fairly quickly.
It will show as coming from you, so put in the message line: FWD for xxx:

Don Anderson, hkpp list

No other options? I prefer not to have these messages come from me because the subscribers tend to just reply...

-----Original Message-----
From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Donald Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 3:01 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Getting a new confirmation code when one has expired

Instead, you can just copy/paste the message if there are no pictures.
It will get the job done fairly quickly.
It will show as coming from you, so put in the message line: FWD for xxx:

Don Anderson, hkpp list

> No other options? I prefer not to have these messages come from me
> because the subscribers tend to just reply...

I'm sure there are options. I just offered what I'd do.
Besides they don't respond to you, they respond to the list.
Anyway just trying to help you clear your backlog.
Don Anderson, hkpp list

From: "Paul E Prusakowski" <[log in to unmask]>

> No other options? I prefer not to have these messages come from me
> because the subscribers tend to just reply...

Do you have the option of logging into a Web-based interface and taking care
of the backlogged moderation queue from there?

Hal Keen

I logged in, but there is no backlogged queue. Seems as if once the confirmation code was expired that the web queue went away also.

-Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hal Keen
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:08 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Getting a new confirmation code when one has expired

From: "Paul E Prusakowski" <[log in to unmask]>

> No other options? I prefer not to have these messages come from me
> because the subscribers tend to just reply...

Do you have the option of logging into a Web-based interface and taking care of the backlogged moderation queue from there?

Hal Keen

> I logged in, but there is no backlogged queue. Seems as if once the
> confirmation code was expired that the web queue went away also.

Then I believe you have your answer. There is nothing to which a "new
confirmation code" can refer, and the message must be re-supplied, by you or
by its originator, before it can be distributed.

It does appear that you could avoid such situations in future by changing
the CONFIRM-DELAY= keyword setting to allow for a lengthy absence. (The
default timeout for a message is one week: 168 hours.) But there's a warning
to check with the LISTSERV maintainer, because storage space could become an
issue.

Hal Keen

Can't you read the message? That is the purpose of "Review"

Don

> I logged in, but there is no backlogged queue. Seems as if once the
> confirmation code was expired that the web queue went away also.

We have an etiquette on our list to only reply to the author , hen the original author compiles replies and sends a single response as a courtesy to others. As moderator, I do not approve any global responses. This keeps the signal:noise ratio down, and subscriber retention is high.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Donald Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:05 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Getting a new confirmation code when one has expired

> No other options? I prefer not to have these messages come from me
> because the subscribers tend to just reply...

I'm sure there are options. I just offered what I'd do.
Besides they don't respond to you, they respond to the list.
Anyway just trying to help you clear your backlog.
Don Anderson, hkpp list

Dear PCCLIST readers,

Thanks to those who’ve asked why I inquire about local procedures, given that NACO training gives instruction. What I’m looking for is local documentation that provides guidance to catalogers about how to go about implementing those instructions. For example, is it in your general cataloging instructions that a cataloger should check for the presence of a title in the existing index of headings.

Here are three cases in question, two of which I have recently written about.

· Bridge over troubled water [NOT the famous song, or album so named]

· Lord of the flies [a book of essays]

· Bible. ǂp Job. ǂl English

Would you check to see if these require qualifiers?

Underlying my question is a suspicion that people are generally trained to check for name headings, but not for titles. If people respond with the kind of documentation I’m asking about, then that would allay those suspicions.

Sincerely - Ian

Ian Fairclough
Cataloging and Metadata Services Librarian
George Mason University
703-993-2938
[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>

LISTSERV will do a DMARC rewrite for any domain that publishes a DMARC record with "p=reject". So if an educational institution publishes such a policy record in their public DNS, LISTSERV will re-write the From: line of messages posted from that domain.
As for the replies, it works if the LISTSERV server has the mail aliases correctly configured. For LISTSERV on Windows, this is automatic (because SMTPL handles the inbound mail). For sendmail/postfix/exim/etc. sites (or for Windows sites that use a mail gateway that validates the username portion of inbound mail), they need to have a wildcard *-dmarc-request alias in place, or replies to the senders of DMARC-re-written addresses will fail.

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Thanks, Pete. I’ll suggest that to the C18-L listowner -- though I expect that, like me, he’s not had many complaints about it.

Yeah, I have sent the bad email to myself, both at gmail and at an account supplied by Canadian Web Hosting, and couldn’t find anything in it at either. I’m not sure that forwarding it might change things, though; and I can’t either recreate the mail (because it happens only with replies) or simply bounce/redirect it. My old email client, PMail, let me do that, but it’s mostly been disabled because of the opportunity for deception it allowed.

Maybe I’ll just put it down to All Saints Day – or, even better, All Hallow’s Eve.

-- Russ
From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter M. Weiss
Sent: November-02-17 3:10 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: blocked attachments

I've had good success with this listserv list definition:

* Attachments= NO,filter

YMMV

Also, try sending the "bad" email to yourself, perhaps at a different email address, and then look at the raw data e.g., MIME headers, etc. That will give you clues.

[or maybe it was a listserv prank on All Saints' Day? ;-) ]

Wild guess: If Outlook changed your text-only default to HTML to match the
item to which you replied, and your HTML mail format is set up (as many are,
these days) to include a JPEG logo in the signature, you'd get this result.

That's not necessarily the only scenario--just the one that first came to
mind.

I've pretty much given up on policing attachment types. I tried, years ago,
but list users kept coming up with new, different file types (or new,
different MIME encodings for the same old file types) and it ended up
disrupting communications. I suspect any restriction on JPEGs these days is
probably left over from the simpler, more straightforward days of yore--like
five or six years ago.

Hal Keen

Ah, for the days of yore. Once upon a time, email was text, eh?

Wild guess: If Outlook changed your text-only default to HTML to match the
item to which you replied, and your HTML mail format is set up (as many are,
these days) to include a JPEG logo in the signature, you'd get this result.

It does look to me like it did include an HTML version, but looking at the raw message I don't see a jpeg anywhere.

I've pretty much given up on policing attachment types. I tried, years ago, but
list users kept coming up with new, different file types (or new, different MIME encodings for the same old file types) and it ended up disrupting
communications. I suspect any restriction on JPEGs these days is probably left
over from the simpler, more straightforward days of yore--like five or six years
ago.

Yes, I just forbid attachments and (AFAIK) it doesn't seem to be doing this. The listowner in this case is probably policing attachment types too. I'm going to contact him.

Thanks, Hal (and others off list).

-- Russ

Ironically, one of the reasons I chose F-Secure over cheaper and faster products in 2001 is that they seemed capable of reliably scanning ZIP files for viruses (at the speed of a snail, which was the big downside of that vendor at the time, but I figured computers would only get faster). The standard hacker "solution" to AV, back at the time, was to ZIP the offending file and score a home run. There was a way to defeat even F-Secure on ZIP files, which I will not post here, but hackers seemed totally uninterested in exploiting it. You can maximize the number of credit card numbers hacked per second, or the percentage of computers hacked given no time limit... Which will it be?

Today's hackers seem to have given up on ZIP and moved on to RAR and 7z. We have stopped installing RAR and 7z decoders on new employee computers for this reason. These specialty compression formats seem to be the main compressed virus vectors nowadays, even though decoders do not come preinstalled. Sure, there are still tons of ZIP-borne viruses, but they rarely get through. I see RAR and 7z "invoices" and "lottery awards" and what not, every day.

Eric

All the lists I'm talking about are populated by academics, mostly in the humanities, and are, of course, subscriber-only posting. So it has been possible to simply forbid attachments; people mostly just send text anyway.

It does mean, though, that with the advent of Outlook, which attaches its own files without telling the sender, that more and more subscribers encounter bounced posts and don't know what to do about it. Here, as in most situations these days, I see only bad news in the future.

-- Russ

-----Original Message-----
From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hal Keen
Sent: November-02-17 5:13 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: blocked attachments

I guess Thunderbird doesn’t think we ought to subscribe to listserv lists, eh? Like Outlook (where both “Reply” and “Reply All” give me only the list address). What was “the previous behaviour” that we could restore?

-- Russ

From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pete Weiss
Sent: October-10-17 6:33 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Thunderbird — Notes (52.4.0) — Mozilla

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/52.4.0/releasenotes/

I bring this update to your attention b/c of recent REPLY thread. Thunderbird was updated recently and this is what I saw in its release notes:
What’s New

* New

In Thunderbird 52 a new behavior was introduced for replies to mailing list posts: "When replying to a mailing list, reply will be sent to address in From header ignoring Reply-to header". A new preference mail.override_list_reply_to allows to restore the previous behavior.

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I have been using Thunderbird for some time.  When I saw Pete's first
message, I checked which version I was running, and it updated to
52.4.0.  I used it to respond to Pete's most recent message below.  It
entered the Reply-To: (list) address in the To: field both when I used
"Reply" and "Reply All". These are the relevant lines from the header of
Pete's message as I received it:

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 20:05:15 -0400
Reply-To: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum <[log in to unmask]>
From: Pete Weiss <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [LSTOWN-L] Thunderbird =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=94_Notes_=2852.4.0=29_=E2=80=94_?=Mozilla
To: [log in to unmask]

It did not enter the From: address from the previous message as the To:
address, as the note in Pete's original message described. I don't know
why Thunderbird would have released the description it did, but that is
not the way the program appears to be working currently.

Clark Pickett

On 10/10/2017 8:05 PM, Pete Weiss wrote:
> Hard to say since my usual view of email headers which does  display
> all (of them) did not show the REPLY-TO (if any).
>
> BUT my reading of this one-line note indicated that IF a REPLY-TO were
> present, previous versions of Thunderbird's REPLY would honor it.  Not
> sure what exactly happened with a REPLY-ALL.
>
> HAVING SAID THAT, a few weeks ago I tried a beta version and the REPLY
> mechanism was different yet (basically, a dropdown list).
>
> On 10/10/2017 19:46, Russell Hunt wrote:
>>
>> I guess Thunderbird doesn’t think we ought to subscribe to listserv
>> lists, eh? Like Outlook (where both “Reply” and “Reply All” give me
>> only the list address). What was “the previous behaviour” that we
>> could restore?
>>
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I don't know what all can be done to deal with this, but I believe that full email addresses are always presented in the archives webpages for a list, provided the subscriber is logged in. So if you can keep people reminded that they can refer to the list archives...

On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 15:31:46 +0000, Russell Hunt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Recently on the list I own I've been encountering requests for people to contact senders off list so that they can get their email addresses and take conversations off list. I believe this has become necessary because some email clients (e.g, most egregiously, Outlook) hide the sender's email address, displaying only the name under an "on behalf of."

Thanks. I thought of this, but in practice there's no way 90% of the people who want to reply to sender only are going to establish a login account in order to get the email address. What I expect is that they'll continue to reply to the whole list asking the poster to send the email address to them (and that a substantial proportion will reply to the whole list, too . . . and then someone -- or more-- will explain that they should reply just to the sender).

Probably, as the tramps in _Godot_ have it, "nothing to be done."

-- Russ

-----Original Message-----
From: LISTSERV List Owners' Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Charles Clausen
Sent: October-04-17 4:47 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: hidden sender addresses

I don't know what all can be done to deal with this, but I believe that full email addresses are always presented in the archives webpages for a list, provided the subscriber is logged in. So if you can keep people reminded that they can refer to the list archives...

On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 15:31:46 +0000, Russell Hunt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Recently on the list I own I've been encountering requests for people to contact senders off list so that they can get their email addresses and take conversations off list. I believe this has become necessary because some email clients (e.g, most egregiously, Outlook) hide the sender's email address, displaying only the name under an "on behalf of."

> Is there a way to force display of the sender's email address? Some years
> ago I found out how to display the list name in the subject line, to help
> people filter list postings into a folder, or simply to recognize what was
> list mail as opposed to a single email; I'm wondering if there's some way to
> do something similar with the sender's complete address? I suspect this may
> be complex; I know that email addresses need to be concealed from
> nonsubscribers in the archive.

Since it is an "enhancement" of the clients email program, there isn't much to
be done other than offer continuous instructions on how one can extract the
real address from each offending client, or offer to referee on their behalf.

Stupid enhancement...

Randy