On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Ballew Kinnaman wrote: > If I understand what Douglas is saying, it is well motivated and > at least partially incorrect: You are correct, it is partially incorrect > > >You cannot determine who is or is not CONCEAL with a REV, > > Not So Yes, it is. A simple REV will show no options, and Ed never mentioned anything but a simple REV. > > >REVIEW listname (ALL NOH Yes, and it does have that [concealed] (why, I don't know, doesn't show other option settings, what's so special about CONCEAL? can always check on those with a query with and with many thousands of subscribers I would rather do it that way). By the way, REV listname ALL NOH works every bit as well as REV listname (ALL NOH (holdover from VM days, I guess, and I do usually use the "(" myself as the lack of it makes me nervous). I think what we may have here is a conflict between the "real" list, which is influenced only by email commands, and the "web interface" list, call it the "ghost" list. Ed Agro has indicated he works via the interface, and so do his subscribers. There is plenty of evidence that the "real" and the "ghost" do not always talk to each other; the right and left do not always know what the other is doing/has done. I have noted many instances of this: when someone subs via the "web" I am "notified" and a "name" is given, but, when the person unsubs the "name" is not given, only the address. I have had a registered personal LISTSERV password for my host site for many years, years before there was a "web interface"; the ghost will not accept my LISTSERV password as it does not talk to the real. I have tried it many times and as long as the ghost will not accept my already registered password I refuse to deal with it. I will continue to consider that done via email as real and that done via the ghost as ephemera until this dichotomy is fixed, which may take a lot of doing as it has always been there and is pretty ingrained, will likely take a lot of code rewritting to fix. Douglas