Just a random thought ... I operate a number of lists where I do not normally post. Nevertheless, I often "force" myself to send administrivia to those lists with the partial intent to be a poster per se. This allows me to "catch" bounces that broken mail systems do not send to the official bounce address (usually OWNER-listname@listhost), but instead to the poster. When that occurs, I then take action as if it were sent to the OWNER-listname address. Pete Weiss @ Penn State