What concerns me is that there may be a way to bypass the subscription requirement, so that those we have decided to remove, and there are very few, can not find an alternate way onto the list. Then again, requesting a subscription under a phony user name could wind them back online with us anyway. David Admin, Poodle-L -----Original Message----- "Also, is it hacking if the maintainer or owner does not implement various security features e.g., REVIEW= OWNERS ?" /Pete