A number of people have noted concerns about what is known as "The Great Kludge" a long-time bug in LISTSERV that had become a "feature" that many people relied upon to allow, but control, non-subscriber posts to lists that were otherwise private. Here are but 2 of these On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:40:40 -0400, mleblanc61@******** wrote: >... I have no idea as to what to do, >after 10 years of doing my list. Setting it up without the Editor= me@myplace, >(listname-l) leaves me with all subscriber mail, even those who're set to noreview, >coming to me to be redirected to the list. (i.e. reviewed/manually redirected to the >list.) On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:38:41 -0400, <jeff-kell@********> wrote: > FOO-LIST contains >> Send= Editor,Hold Editor= [log in to unmask],(FOO-LIST) > >and this would translate into what 14.4 equivalent? For Ver 14.4 do it this way: Send= Public,confirm,non-member (This is new in ver 14.3 and 14.4) Default-Options= Review (this is required to interact with above) Editor= [log in to unmask] Results: Existing Subscribers can post freely (unless otherwise placed on review, etc.) Non-subscribers must first self-confirm their own message (this step, introduced in 14.3 and continuing in 14.4, eliminates zombie spam servers and stops most spam msgs from going to Editor). Then, if/when the non-subscriber completes the self-confirm, the message then goes to the Editor for review. If the editor OK's the message, then it will go to the list (with the normal spam delay for non-subscriber msgs). If the editor does not OK it, of course it dies. This is slightly more inconvenient than in the past for legitimate non-subscribers, who must perform the self-confirm each time. For the occasional msg posted from a non-subscribed address, this will work very well. For people that frequently post from alternate addresses, they should really have all their alternate addresses subscribed and set to NOMAIL. Note also that new subscriber's first post(s) will also go to Editor who must then SET the subscriber to NOREVIEW to allow further unmoderated postings. This prevents hit/run spammers from subscribing, posting, unsubing. If you want a fully private, members-only list, then of course you want Send= Private