With the help of our web expert, we did a couple of additional tweaks. As I think Pete pointed out, a link showed "Log Out" even when you were logged out; it now reflects the current state of affairs. Not perfectly, there seems to be a time lag sometimes, but awfully close. Here's the code (again, mostly stolen from Paul Russell). What I wish: a couple of archive related pages don't show sub-top-banner. But it's already helped me debug with a client. Here's the page to see how it looks: http://listserv.syr.edu. +SE CUSTOM_MESSAGE You are not logged in - <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=REPORT&z=3"><font color="orange"><b>Log In</a></b></font> +BB &+COOKIE_LOGIN; +SE CUSTOM_MESSAGE You are logged in as &+COOKIE_LOGIN - <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?RESET-COOKIE"><font color="orange"><b>Log Out</a></b></font> +EB <table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="1" height="17" background="http://LISTSERV.SYR.EDU/archives/images/ls2-header.gif"> <tr> <td align="right"> <b><font color="white"> &+CUSTOM_MESSAGE; </font> </b> </td> </tr> </table> - Listserv List Manager Listserv webpage: http://listserv.syr.edu Web access to List Archives, Manuals, and List Management for Owners.