The bottom_banner and all of the other templates are available either through commands to the LISTSERV instance or via the web interface (my recommended way) Will -- C. William Westerfield [log in to unmask] TIA Group www.tiagroup.net Phone: 231-995-9561 Fax: 231-995-9562 Vocation is "The place where our deep gladness meets the hunger of the world", Frederick Buechner