OK we've recently updated our support with L-Soft and I'm in the process of getting a system ready for running 14.5 but in the meantime I was wondering what are the qualifications for backbone anymore? Add to that what sort of exceptions are made? The documentation is a bit conflicting but AFAICT sites with unlimited (UNITS=0) or sites with UNITS >= 30 or DIST only sites are the only ones that qualify, except exceptions. We (MODWEST) don't have a lot of lists however, we've four of those with 20k+ (one of which is 90k+). None of them are super busy, they're one-way announce/newsletters. So really my question is, do we qualify for an exception, and even if we do, would it be a good idea? I've heard a number of complaints about the amount of SPAM jobs that come out but I'm not really worried about that (they'd probably help more than hurt our server). TIA -- "Genius might be described as a supreme capacity for getting its possessors into trouble of all kinds." -- Samuel Butler