GRAND has been officially announced in France recently. I immediately gave it a try... I first did TELL GRAND AT FRMOP11 GIMME CONFER. It send a huge bunch of files. Took 30 minutes for them to arrive. Well... PROCEED (btw have you ever worked with a 3215 full-screen emulator on the system console? :-) ) The files filled up my 90% disk of course, and I had to move them to a system disk to be able to continue. The fileids of the various components of the packages are "selfish": they use common names which could be used for other local execs. I was glad to see that they had to change the name of TITLE MODULE to _TITLE after the first release... :-) Well, I typed CONFER and got a menu display. Looked quite nice besides. Then I pressed PF10 to see the list of topics and here you are, I got a bunch of errors from REXX. Return code -3 from IOX MODULE. This module had not been sent by GRAND, nor did CONFER complain about it not being there. Nor did it set trace off to avoid the error messages. It just assumed it was there. But, never mind, the exec seemingly worked correctly without the thing. Granted, it's a pain to have to clear the screen everytime you press a key, but... Then I looked at the various conferences. They were all empty of course since the server was just started. I tried to review one of the items and it said it was not available locally, do you want to order it from the server? YES. I got the following complaint from RSCS as soon as I pressed ENTER: Invalid NJI parameter "(" on file tag -- parameter ignored Invalid NJI parameter "BITNET=Y" on file tag -- parameter ignored Geez, that exec definitely generates a lot of garbage error messages, but it doesn't prevent it from working. The server accepted the command, and said he had not the file and was forwarding to another server. 10 minutes later the file had not arrived so I left home after sending a note the the GRAND people. The reply was that right, IOX MODULE is needed and should have been placed in the startup package, and right about the NJI error messages but it doesn't pre- vent it from working so... Question: can I obtain IOX MODULE without ordering the whole 5,000,000,000 lines package again? GET IOX MODULE says the file is not known. Answer: no, it's not possible, but with GET CSTARTER PACKAGE it will send less files. 10 minutes later I had the module and about 5-6 other files I already had and discarded. The REXX errors disappeared but the NJI errors were still there. I then tried to contribute to a topic. It worked quite nicely until I stupid- ly pressed PF3, which is set to "move cursor to end of line" on my XEDIT setup. If I really want to exit from XEDIT without saving, I go to the command line and type "QQ", it takes about 2 seconds and it's not dangerous. But here PF3 was QQUIT without any kind of confirmation. I was in a good mood when it hap- paned so I decided to do ONE retry and managed not to press PF3 again. After the usual NJI error messages the server said the contribution had been accepted But it did NOT appear on my copy of the conference!! The index was as empty as before!!!! So I tried to order the VM FORUM conference again. Without suc- cess. I even spent 15 minutes looking at all the help file -- this just is NOT possible. If you have it you can't order it again. I eventually switched from good mood to angry mood, "let me erase all the directory conference crap from all the disks and we'll see if it still refuses to order it", and of course it no longer did :-) I could even check my contribution was there! :-) Then I asked... Is there a way I can subscribe to the CONFER PACKAGE to auto- matically get copies of updated programs? Preferably with a prologtext for LISTSERV? The SUBSCRIBE command does not work. Answer: it seems you can only subscribe to a conference, not a package... As for prologtext this option is not implemented anyway. In the meanwhile the IBM-NETS file had arrived. I realized I did not care about it and discarded it. What is nice is you don't know what the heck is in the file until you order it, and when you order it you have ALL of it. You can't order just the index, or an exerpt (say, the last 5 entries)... I've not announced the thing yet to the users. I'm afraid I get too many questions, especially with the NJI error message which would certainly scare 90% of users ("Hey, what have I done wrong, it complains about invalid parame- ter on NIGJI-dunnowhat???"). And too much network load -- trust the users to order all the conferences to see if one of them is interesting... Also it was funny to see that this paraphernalia was used to distribute some ARPA capharnaum :-) Eric begin (* Main program *) GRAND:=modest_name('GRANDiose Computer Conferencing System'); GRANDiose:=cornucopia(paraphernalia(ARPA+BITNIC),IBM_internal_use_only,VNET); while not network_saturated do begin press(PF10); repeat coffee_break until file_has_arrived; read_topic; if not topic_interesting then trash_topic end end;-)