Well, here's my 2 cents worth on list standards. For lists that are totally loc al (private lists), call them anything you want provided you don't mess anyone else up. For network-wide lists both with and without peers, use something desc riptive and postfix an '-L' to it to indicate that is is a distribution list. I know that this decreases the unique identification to 6 characters, but I thin k that 127**6 possible combinations (I think -- don't call me on the math. It's been a long time) should be more than enough, even subtracting userids that ar e already in use. ARPA lists are going to be a problem with this scheme, but li ke someone said, most of them already have nice abbreviations tht the people th at are handling the peer list for each list can agree on an 8 character abbrevi ation that will be suitable for that list. Another comment: Please folks, no RSCS mods or additional DVMs to solve this! T his poor 4341 can barely keep up as is, and putting another DVM up literally me ans that we can't log on another user. Same with RSCS/CP/CMS mods -- we (and ma ny other smaller sites) just don't have the personnel or the time to maintain s tuff like that -- here they even take English profs as systems programmers if y ou ever make the mistake of demonstrating competence at S/370 assembler...8-). Comments? David Boyes Systems University of Oregon Computing Center