Hello, as a consequence of Jose Maria's bye bye a lot of subscribers were moved in our beloved little world of Listservers, and probably more will follow. "Why this big hassle" you may ask. Please remember: Not that Jose has left the net is the problem. The problem is that the EB0UB011 management is now fully responsible for their Listserv and it's under their control. Just try to imagine what could happen if your boss would run your Listserv. If this makes no sense to you, you are an exception, congratulations on such a boss. It is not necessary to have worse phantasies about the EB0UB011 management, the crucial point is that there is nobody who knows how to run such a heavily peered Listserv as EB0UB011 is (was). Therefore it seems a good idea to remove as much as possible of the list traffic from this site (at least to Jose and me, I hope you share this opinion). To support this I'm installing nearly all of the EB0UB011 lists here (it's much easier to scan the full list than to check for every list whether this makes sense). Except for those which already exists here they are initially empty. For some lists this should be useful because EB0UB011 was the only European peer, for some other lists DB0TUI11 (although not ideal located) should be good supplement to FINHUTC for central Europe. What will be needed are more peers in southern and western Europe. I'm installing the lists to provide a last resort if there isn't a better located site volunteering. Anyway, some of you may expect letters from me asking for new peerings/removing of EB0UB011 peerings. BTW, two ideas were refreshed by these actions: - I see no sense for three distinct lists ASM370, VMKIDS-L, and IBM-MAIN. In theory (from the list description) it makes sense. But look at the practice. The questions and discussions are spread randomly over these lists. And how should somebody who has a question know in advance in which category it belongs, this would be half the solution in some cases :-) I suggest to replace the three lists by a new list: IBM-VM (never heard about MVS :-) , don't reply, I have an automatic nastygramm-discarder :-) - Some of the EB0UB011 lists were 'fake' peer lists for Bitnic lists, grrr. Do we need BITNIC? Why not set up a real peer chain for at least some high traffic BITNIC lists, inform the BITNIC subscribers how to move to the peered network and show BITNIC the advantage of empty lists (which really don't need to be peered)? Enough for now, I have already wasted enough time with this mess. Thomas P.S.: You may argue that Jose Maria is responsible for this hassle due to his very abrupt retirement from the net. I assume I had prepared such a crash with my management better, so my colleagues would have no trouble but my management would have a lot of head ache. But that's grey theory. You can't plan every crash in detail in advance :-) I understand and respect Jose Maria, otherwise I wouldn't care about these damned lists. P.P.S.: If you have questions, please contact Eric or me. Of course if your site is both in the middle of the USA and of Europe, and you are willing to peer any lists which any mail junkie may install, and have some disk space for the stuff from the EB0UB011 file server, you should immediately post to this list :-)