A site which can't process anything but MAIL format should probably not connect to BITNET. Even Data General and Multics systems, operating with a gorgeous HASP/DMTSML (well modified DMTSML *grin*) are able to receive NETDATA format files (text only of course). You see, a site which can't receive PUNCH format is most certainly a site which looks into the RFC822 header to determine what the destination and origin are. Since LISTSERV stupidly and incorrectly creates a new set of RFC822 headers (when will the author listen to the voice of reason?), it usually works. If, instead, this stupid mail server did as any other sensible INTERNET host and merely created a BSMTP envelope, preserving the original RFC822 header as God meant it to be, and as all sensible UUCP gateways are doing, you would receive a RFC822 header which doesn't contain anything closely or remotely resembling the destination userid, not even in UUCP crap!blah!stuff syntax. Anybody interested in a mod to DMTSML that puts the target userid in the printer banner (where the 'WAS THE ORIGIN' blurb used to be) is welcome to ask for a copy. "Try it, and you'll start wondering how you've been able to do without it for so long". Eric