There was a second limiting factor that I think may merit further discussion, the use of Send= Public. I suspect very few starry eyed novices wishing to give their message to the whole world would be willing to subscribe to all 3500+ lists. I would have assumed that you had to be a member of a group to address that group and I don't find the default of Send= Public intuitivly obvious. As a rookie listmeister I didn't recognize the implications, but I tended to use Send= Private because it just seemed appropriate. I'm not saying that use of "Public" will lead to hairy palms, but I think it should be consciously chosen based on need. Several of the messages I got this week came from lists that I think should have been "Private" anyway. -Kary.