You are right - these @#$%&*&%$#@ 'alleged listservs' are a real pain One is in use at LEHIGH.EDU to service VIRUS-L. Just try to issue SET VIRUS-L NOMAIL to that thing and see what you get. I am going to try to unsub - but I doubt that even that will work And don't count on the help/instructions that are available for the @#$%&*@ thing being accurate either. A 'conventional INTERNET mailing list' (if there truly is such a thing) is better. +---------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Russell N. Hathhorn | Bitnet: SYSMAINT@PCCVM | | VM Systems Programmer/Analyst | Compu$erve: 76636,1036 | | Portland Community College | Voice: (503) 244-6111 x 4705 | | 12000 S. W. 49th Avenue | Fax: (503) 324-7010 | | Portland, Oregon 97219-0990 | " Just say NO to OCO " | +---------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms | | is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."| | -- Thomas Jefferson | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+