"And you stated that LISTSERV had a copy in its logs, which it doesn't." I said that the LISTSERVer - the host machine - had logs. Or the capacity to log. But, I digress. I have better uses of my time. If you folks want to keep on perpetuating half-truths and persuade yourself that you can't be caught when you forge mail, go to it. You will inevitably learn otherwise, I have no real motive to share my understanding. Just kindness, and thanks to the notorious Earache - um, Eric - that just ran clean out. Adios, amigos and amigas. -- richard ===== -- richard childers [log in to unmask] 1 415 506 2411 oracle data center -- unix systems & network administration Klein flask for rent. Inquire within.