"I am tired of this discussion and very tired of this particular poster." Then don't contribute. "The last statement is wrong, and irrelevant. There are techniques which are 100% detect-proof, as the source IP address is faked and IP routers do not log packets. There are also many SMTP hosts which don't log anything, due to administrative decision, lack of disk space, whatever. So no matter how much Richard Childers wishes he were right, the reality is that Internet mail is not safe and that hackers with a certain level of experience and access to the right hardware can inject messages which cannot be traced at all, not even if someone were to suggest that the message just might have been generated by Bill Clinton and the FBI were ordered to make the most thorough investigation in their entire career." I made it pretty clear that my statements were predicated on logging, Eric. But I'm not clear that _anyone_ is an expert on the Internet, since it is, by definition, a superset of everything we know of, as a community. -- richard