To all of those doing battle: The subscribers to the various lists do not give a damn what they are running on. Or how they are peered. Or whether they conform to this or that protocol. What they do care about is the set of commands with which they are expected to interact with the list. Hundreds of listowners have poured countless hours into educating their subscribers on how to send commands to a listserv of the Eric Thomas variety. While Eric may not have a legal right to the term listserv, the individuals running list management software on non-VM platforms have an obligation to the user community to either support the set of end-user commands from the Eric Thomas Listserv, or to call their list management software something other than a listserv. In other words, if your list management software does not support an account called LISTSERV to which the user is expected to send a set of commands which are identical to the set which Eric uses, then it ain't a listserv. And calling it a listserv is false and misleading to the end user. Howard Psaternack Brown University