We know they are two different things, but we have felt that we needed both, XMAILER (not LMAIL) for things it gets to see, LISTSERV for mail that bypasses mailers. (We do have a few vocal users who insist on corresponding with the stone age and get really mad when their mail isn't forwarded.) Mark R. Williamson, Rice U., Houston TX; [log in to unmask] or @RICEVM1