On Mon, 22 Mar 1993 09:50 EST, Jim Gerland <GERLAND@UBVM> wrote: >Here's another site to add to your SERVE OFF lists :-( Whoa! I see no compelling reason to do so. It's only one specific mailing-list at one site which is having problems. Unfortunately for you, it's your site. :-) As usual, skip to the bottom of the posting, and work towards the top. >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >Error occurred while processing file 5667 from [log in to unmask]: >"Mail has been received from a user which has been served out". >------------------- Message causing the problem (39 lines) -------------------- >Return-Path: <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:[log in to unmask]> >Received: from GS58.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) > with TCP; Sat, 20 Mar 93 21:10:49 EST >Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 21:08:34 EST >From: "GS58.SP.CS Mail System" (MMDF) <[log in to unmask]> >Sender: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Waiting mail (msg.aa24290) 3. The message from LISTSERV reached the host of this list-owner. So, why couldn't this host deliver it to the 'G.GP' machine? Use of the 'FINGER' command shows: ! [gs58.sp.cs.cmu.edu] ! Login name: michal In real life: Michal Prussak ! Directory: /usr0/michal Shell: /usr/cs/bin/csh ! On since Mar 22 09:38:03 15 minutes Idle Time ! on ttyt0 from 128.2.209.90: via KRUSHER.VI.RI.CMU.EDU ! Mail is forwarded to [log in to unmask] ! Plan: ! Graduate Student, Computer Science ! Lab: WeH 5320, phone x8716 (I'm in the lab 99.9999% of the time) ! Office: WeH 5103, Office Phone x7571 ! Home: 5450 Fair Oaks St., Pittsburgh, PA 15217, (412) 683-2786 ! Machine: gs58.sp So, the answer is that Michal's E-mail is "forward"-ed to another machine, and that machine was "down" for a few days. Nothing untypical! :-) >To: @ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu:[log in to unmask] > > After 2 days (25 hours), your message has not yet been fully delivered. > Attempts to deliver the message will continue for 4 more days. > > Delivery attempts are still pending for the following address(es): > > [log in to unmask] (host: g.gp.cs.cmu.edu) (queue: smtp) > > Problems usually are due to service interruptions at the receiving > machine. Less often, they are caused by the communication system. 2. Where did the ID "michal+@g.gp.." come from? For answer, see above! When I tried the PING, TELNET, and E-mail ports on the 'G.GP' machine, they all responded. So, the "service interruption" must have ended. :-) The "host-info" record for this machine shows 'MICRO-VAX-3 UNIX', i.e., another "if it breaks, it's not mission-critical, so we'll fit it soon" machine. So, it's reasonable that it could have went "down" on Friday and Saturday, and not have been fixed until Monday (today). > Your message begins as follows: > >Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by GS58.SP.CS.CMU.EDU id aa24290; > 19 Mar 93 19:33:42 EST >Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 17:52:08 -0500 >From: Revised List Processor (1.7e) <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: POLAND-L: error report from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU >To: [log in to unmask] > >The enclosed mail file, found in the POLAND-L reader and shown under the >spoolid 4880 in the console log, has been identified as a possible delivery 1. Note that 'LISTSERV@UBVM' is sending E-mail regarding an E-mail problem with the 'POLAND-L@UBVM' mailing list to "Michal Prussak". Why? Because LISTSERV is "working-as-designed". :-) I sent a 'REVIEW POLAND-L (SHORT' command to 'LISTSERV@UBVM', and it lists two owners, namely: * Owner= [log in to unmask] (Michal Prussak) * Owner= [log in to unmask] (Witold Owoc) So, Michal is a "list-owner" for this specific mailing-list. It's unusual, but not unethical, to have non-BITNET-eers as list-owners. A quick look at a "host-info" record shows that 'gs58' is a IBM-PC/RT, i.e., an adequate, though aging, piece of hardware and software, in the CS (probably "Computer Science", rather than "Computing Services") department. Consider the "owner" of the machine, and transform that into a "length-of-time-after-it-breaks-before-it-gets-fixed" measure. :-) --