On Fri, 19 Mar 1993 12:56:13 CST Natalie Maynor <[log in to unmask]> said: >And you, as usual, sound like a stuck record. (...) If we ditch bitnet, >which I wish we would if for no other reason that to make you quit >punching your boring send button and saying the same shit over and over >and over again, then you could no longer say that anything should be >registered at whatever it is that your boring mail keeps going on and on >about. (...) Bottom line: You're wrong. Well I don't know about stuck records, and coming from you it is a pretty ironical accusation, but I'll tell you about being wrong. I've known Melvin via the network for quite a long time and can't remember many instances of him being wrong on technical matters; in fact, I can't remember any (unless you count the usual "darn I hadn't seen that header field, sorry I just missed the obvious"). But then I'm not a language teacher so maybe I'm not qualified to judge :-) As things stand I'm glad I'm sitting thousands of miles away from you, because it looks like you're covered in what you claim Melvin keeps saying over and over and over again. Since you do not have a registered gateway, you are routed through INTERBIT. By definition, INTERBIT is a generic service and every single mail message routed to INTERBIT may go through a different gateway. Of course they will usually tend to go through the same gateway most of the time, but the bottom line is that you rely on a gatewaying service provided by volunteer BITNET sites and have absolutely no control over what machine is used to gateway your message. In other words, INTERBIT is not UGA. It was perfectly legitimate for your mail to be routed through Princeton, the delay was abnormal and points to a real problem somewhere between UGA and Princeton or between Princeton and your system, which I would like to see resolved anyway. I would be grateful if you would send Michael Gettes a copy of one of the messages which took 12-15h to reach you so he can investigate. >The problem vanished as soon as Harold fixed the UGA situation -- which >is where the problem was. That was another matter entirely. Harold wanted INTERBIT mail to be routed through his SMTP and had inadvertently caused it to go through another route. That was a problem in the sense that UGA wasn't doing what Harold wanted it to do. It was something Harold could complain to me about. It wasn't a problem as far as your delivery is concerned - there are sites which choose not to route bulk mail to their SMTP because the load is too high and NJE deliveries cost about 3 times less system resources. It was not something you could demand that Harold do. The problem you described remains unsolved, and I am not happy about that. Finally I would like to add that the PUCC gateway is very competently operated and that you would be wrong to dismiss the problem as "heck, it just means Princeton can't run a gateway". Eric