There may be multiple problems, including a broken mail system at ccmail.ae.ge.com. Now presuming that you cannot fix CCMAIL, how about some creative (possible) bypasses: (1) Change your list keyword headers by adding X-TAGS= COMMENT (2) Then issue the owner's LISTSERV cmd QUIET SET HOLISTIC SHORT FOR *@*GE.COM (there is only one non-concealed subscriber -- so far). (3) Feel free to send an e-mail to [log in to unmask] (4) Report to nodeinfo@cunyvm your success/failure. /Pete ([log in to unmask]) -- Peter M. Weiss | oas.psu.edu postmaster 31 Shields Bldg -- Penn State Univ.| "He was a couple of diskettes short University Park, PA USA 16802-1202 | of a complete hard disk backup"