On Wed, 4 Aug 1993 19:21:26 -0400 Chris Lewis <[log in to unmask]> said: >No, I'm applying usenet logic to usenet. Articles posted to usenet >should never bounce. I don't care what a gateway is gating to, >transmission problems outside of usenet are the gatewayer's problem. Correct. It's magic wand logic you're applying here. You are posting to usenet and expect a certain behaviour, which is standard in usenet. Someone is gatewaying your message to another world, which expects a different behaviour, standard in that world. You expect the software in that other world to somehow divinate that this particular message comes from someone who posted it via usenet and who expects a different behaviour. Furthermore you expect that software to accomodate your expectations even though they are the opposite of its normal operational mode. Of course the rest of the world should adapt to your expectations. If there is a possibility that you might receive a message you don't want, the software that sends it should be modified to never send it. After all, since it is never useful to you, it is never useful to anyone, and everyone should follow the usenet design. God forbid that there might be different philosophies, cultures or designs in the network. Eric