Martin: Being "concealed" is not mutually exclusive to being "subscription by_owner" i.e., ONCE subscribed, the user then can SET list CONCEAL, unless OTHERWISE prohibted by VALIDATE= ALL. Regardless of who sends it, REV list does NOT show concealed users. Though the list-owner cmd "Q list FOR userid@node" will. /Pete ([log in to unmask]) -- co-owner INFOSYS, TQM-L, CPARK-L, et -L -- Peter M. Weiss "The 'NET' never naps" +1 814 863 1843 31 Shields Bldg. -- Penn State Univ -- University Park, PA 16802-1202 USA