For those who don't know Marty Hoag, he manages the NEW-LIST list on vm1.nodak.edu (NDSUVM1), manages various list-related db on that LISTSERV and provides files related to creating/searching lists-of-lists (do an INDEX NEW-LIST). In particular, get LISTSOF LISTS from that filelist. I do believe Marty has mastered the technique of subscribing to non- LISTSERV lists ;-) and I think his comment on this subject: was implicitly "objecting" to the non-announcement of the particular list in the NEW-LIST and/or other vehicles for dissemination. -- co-owner INFOSYS, TQM-L, CPARK-L, ERAPPA-L, JANITORS, LDBASE-L, et -L [log in to unmask] "The 'NET' never naps" +1 814 863 1843 31 Shields Bldg. -- Penn State Univ -- University Park, PA 16802-1202 USA