On Wed, 4 May 1994 07:42:41 -0500 Bob Parks said: >I am wondering *flame on* just whose 'bright' idea it was to have >confirmation of subscriptions? *flame off* Guess any listowner's who has set the Confirm on the Subscribe= keyword. Either they did it because it was new or they had a good reason for it. I'd suggest you contact the owner of the particular list(s). > > (at least for those who want digest >which is what I recommend to all neophytes). You are free to do so. But DIGESTS are as optional as Subscription confirmation. You could as well say "just whose 'bright' idea was it to not have digests". See above - contact the owners. > >lists which have 100-300 people [...] with maybe 5-10 messages a day. Again - contact the owners. The confirmation has deliberately been set. So you better argue with the person in charge and not woth the whole world. > >A PLEA - turn this 'feature' off (or convince me with DATA that it was/is >needed). A single bad address on a moderate volume mailing list can generate several hundred pieces of junk-mail before you find out (if you have n owners make this times n) - IF YOU ARE LUCKY that is. Some brain damaged mailers start posting to your list then and you can have some nice mailing loop together with junk in the archives and digests. THEN you have to block the invalid address. You have to decide whether it's the host or the user part causing the problems - you don't want to shut out well-behaving users. It may be that the address was not yet valid. Or that whatever caused the problem eventually gets sorted out. You'd then have to re-enable the access. With ten lists you can have this sort of problem several times a week. I'm not here to spend my time with this type of useless administration - period. Personally I don't like the renewal-confirmation. For those lists where it is set I live with it because I say the owner or postmaster probably has a reason, ok? Christian