On Thursday, at 11:37, Melcir Erskine-Richmond <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I am also a multiple co-owner of lists, many of which originated at a > single South American (Brazilian) listserv and were later 'peered' to > campuses in the USA (for the most part). Some time ago, the peer > process was somehow broken, and now the several parts are separated > and operating singly, while maintaining the original list descriptor > and earlier versions of the co-owner listings. Initially, after setting > in motion the descriptor, and in combing the nets for a co-owner, I > was invited to set the lists up at BRUFPB.BITNET in Brazil, but then > I was not given co-ownership. It took (true) 4 years to break throgh > this error. I now have co-ownership, but not technical co-ownership. > Efforts to redress the peer process seem to be failing (largely due > to language barrier and the problem of distance, I suspect). In one > instance, even the peer site was changed to another Listserver. Anyway > the list which is so fragmented is AFRICA-L and efforts to straighten > this out with the current co-owners and to bring up to date the > ownership details, etc. fall into total silence and lack of reply > from one site, and an inability to correct the situation from another. > What can be done, please? I have sent 'REVIEW AFRICA-L (LOCAL' commands to VTVM1, BROWNVM, and BFUFPB, collected, edited, and collated the header-lines, and eliminated the identical-at-all-three-hosts lines, which leaves the following differences: VTVM1 * Auto-Delete= Yes,Full-Auto BRUFPB * Auto-Delete= Yes,Full-Auto VTVM1 * Daily-Threshold= 65 VTVM1 * Digest= Yes,Same,Daily,23:59,Size(2000) VTVM1 * Files= No BROWNVM * Files= yes BRUFPB * FILES= YES BROWNVM * Formcheck= yes BRUFPB * FORMCHECK= YES VTVM1 * LoopCheck= Full BROWNVM * Notify= no BRUFPB * NOTIFY= NO VTVM1 * Notify= Yes VTVM1 * Owner= [log in to unmask] <Darrell A. Early> VTVM1 * Owner= quiet:,paddy@vtvm1 (Darrell A. Early) BRUFPB * OWNER= PADDY@VTVM2 (Darrell A. Early) VTVM1 * Owner= quiet:,bestuur@vtvm1 (Darrell A. Early) BROWNVM * Owner= BESTUUR@VTVM1 (Darrell A. Early) BRUFPB * [log in to unmask] (Melcir Erskine-Richmond) VTVM1 * Owner= quiet:,an700018@brownvm (Marilyn H. Fetterman) BROWNVM * Owner= AN700018@BROWNVM (Marilyn H. Fetterman) BRUFPB * OWNER= ST802213@BROWNVM (Victor Williams) BROWNVM * Owner=REITORCN@BRUFPB (Carlos Fernando Nogueira) BRUFPB * OWNER= rodrig@BRUFPB (Jose Rodrigues) BRUFPB * PEERS= VTVM2,BROWNVM BROWNVM * Peers= VTVM1,BRUFPB VTVM1 * Renewal= 3-Monthly BROWNVM * Reply-To= list,respect BRUFPB * REPLY-TO= LIST,RESPECT VTVM1 * Reply-To= Sender,Respect VTVM1 * Review= Private BROWNVM * Review= public BRUFPB * REVIEW= PUBLIC VTVM1 * Safe= Yes VTVM1 * Send= Private BROWNVM * Send= public BRUFPB * SEND= PUBLIC BRUFPB * STATS= EXTENDED,PRIVATE VTVM1 * Stats= Normal,Private BROWNVM * Stats= normal,private VTVM1 * Subscription= Open BROWNVM * Subscription= open BRUFPB * SUBSCRIPTION= OPEN,Confirm So, Melcir, if you really want to re-establish the "peering", and since you "own" the AFRICA-L list at BRUFPB, I suggest that you: - change that list to specify 'Files=NO', - change the entry 'OWNER= PADDY@VTVM2 (Darrel A. Early)' to 'Owner= PADDY@VTVM1 (Darrel A. Early)', since the node 'VTVM2' is being phased out. - change the entry 'PEERS= VTVM2,BROWNVM' to 'Peers= VTVM1,BROWNVM', for the same reason, - add the ID 'AFRICA-L@VTVM1 Peer Distribution' as a subscriber, (use the command 'QUIET ADDHERE AFRICA-L@VTVM1 Peer Distribution', to avoid having LISTSERV "move" the subscription to one of the peers), - send E-mail to 'Darrel A. Early' <[log in to unmask]> or <BESTUUR@VTVM1> or <PADDY@VTVM1>, and/or to 'Marilyn H. Fetterman' <[log in to unmask]>, asking one of them to: - add the line 'Peers= BROWNVM,BRUFPB' to the list-definition for AFRICA-L at VTVM1, - add your ID into the list of "owners" for the list, - add the IDs 'AFRICA-L@BRUFPB Peer Distribution' and 'AFRICA-L@BROWNVM Peer Distribution' as subscribers to the 'AFRICA-L@VTVM1' mailing-list, (using the 'QUIET ADDHERE' command), - add the ID 'AFRICA-L@VTVM1 Peer Distribution' as a subscriber to the 'AFRICA-L@VTVM1' mailing-list, (using the 'QUIET ADDHERE' command), in order to properly "link" the three peers. (Remember, Marilyn and/or Darrell may be on vacation, so don't be surprised if it takes a while.) - Finally, note that about 25 subscribers have subscriptions at *MORE* than one AFRICA-L node. Therefore, when the peering takes effect, they'll start getting "duplicate" postings, until one of their subscriptions is deleted. When you become a "owner", you'll have to somehow deal with these IDs: BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Axel Harneit-Sievers VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Axel Harneit-Sievers VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Achana Francis BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Francis Achana BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Antoinette Errante VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Antoinette Errante BROWNVM AFRICA_L@CLARKU Clark University's BB VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Africa-L in Bulletin BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Brown Local Dist. VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Brown Local Dist. BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Arthur R. McGee VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Arthur R. McGee BROWNVM AN700018@BROWNVM Marilyn H. Fetterman VTVM1 AN700018@BROWNVM Marilyn H. Fetterman BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Malik Baiyewu VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Malik Baiyewu BROWNVM [log in to unmask] D Bedell VTVM1 [log in to unmask] D Bedell VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Bruce Caldwell VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Bruce Caldwell BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Cliff Missen VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Cliff Missen BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Carol Taberski VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Carol Taberski BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Dr Francois D. Botha VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Dr. Francois Botha BROWNVM [log in to unmask] "Mwangi Nderebe" VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Mwangi Nderebe VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Greg Greenberg VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Greg Greenberg BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Sandra Hall VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Sandra Hall BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Henk J. van Hartingsveldt VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Henk J. van Hartingsveldt BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Hussein M. Haji VTVM1 [log in to unmask] H. Haji BROWNVM [log in to unmask] L. Kasanga South Africa VTVM1 [log in to unmask] L. Kasanga Zaire BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Mike Nico VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Mike Nico BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Philip King VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Philip King BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Robert E. Allison VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Bob Allison BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Alan Saul VTVM1 [log in to unmask] Alan Saul BROWNVM [log in to unmask] G. Thomasson Liberia VTVM1 [log in to unmask] G. Thomasson Liberia BROWNVM [log in to unmask] Paul T. Nyanga. VTVM1 [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] Goodson Clear? :-)