Trish, The procedures for the NT and unix betas were radically different. For the unix betas, the bulk of the people who applied where individuals I had known for years, most of whom I had already met in person. I knew they could be trusted, and they were all from the academic sector. Finally, it was a small group of people. So, we never laid down any formal rule about the beta. We just did it, and there was no problem. For the NT version most of the people were unknown to me, and many were not from the academic sector. Some in fact were software vendors. We felt it would not be a good idea to do everything informally. So we wrote a formal document with the rules to be respected in order to be included in the beta. By using the license key, you agreed to these rules. Nothing was put in writing, but the conditions were stated quite clearly, and they included the standard "can't say anything in public good or bad until L-Soft breaks the news". You need this kind of rules because naturally there are going to be problems during the beta and you don't want people saying in public "I'm trying the brand new NT LISTSERV and boy, is it a piece of rubbish!" You also don't want people to mention features that you may later decide not to release because of some problem that you can't solve. In fact you don't want people to mention anything in public, period. There's no need to make public comments when you're testing new software. This is a standard clause that I've seen in all the betas I've participated in. In fact most of them say that you can't even state that you're testing the new software. It's the same with the prices. As I said, we're working on a radically different pricing policy for NT. Some beta sites needed the software right now so we decided to sell it to them at the same prices as the VMS version. So in other words the price list is still in beta and we positively didn't want people making the kind of comment Laurence made. We know PC people expect different pricing policies and we're working on that. What he complained about, even setting aside the gross inaccuracies, is a price list that we know needs to be fixed and on which we therefore don't want to be judged, just as we don't want our new products to be judged on unfinished versions that aren't released. Eric