Not really, but I got your attention, right! Problem is with moderated lists and the newest listserv has a solution with a new OK mechanism. The problem is that FULL headers, the new default, keeps *ALL* the headers, by design! In particular, it keeps all the Received: headers. This can be *great* for debugging. However, with the old-style edited list, we get 4 sets of headers: 1 set from subscriber sending the original note to the list 1 set for mail going *to* the editor for approval 1 set for mail coming *from* the moderator 1 set finally going to the list. We rapidly exceed the hopcount for some systems. In the note that started me thing about this, each of the above sets had 4 hops in it, which caused the entire note to *appear* to have 16 hops already. The latest (beta) version of listserv uses the 'OK' mechanism for approval which will avoid the last 3 sets of headers and should solve the problem. New syntax is Send= EDITOR,HOLD. Listserv holds the mail until it gets approved. For now, some lists may have to change to SHORT headers.