Ok, about those first amendment rights ... While you have the right to say what you want to, you do not have the right to say it any way you want to. You do not have the right to force someone else to pay expenses for you to say what you want to. You may stand on a corner and say what you want, but you can't say it with a megaphone at midnight. You have plenty of time to do it during non-traditional peaceful hours. You can't do anything that causes danger to others or appropriate someone elses property to do said things. While you have a right to demonstrate, you need a permit in most cities (it's more so police can provide protection) to do it. That does not take away your rights, it simply keeps things organized. In a similar vain, you don't have the right to be on a list - you have the privilege. Therefor, you may say what you want as long as you keep in the spirit of the list. I define that simply as long as you respect other people and don't do anything that will cause others grief. You can say what you want as long as it is related to the list and you don't do anything destructive to the list. If you do, that is a form of assault on other list members. This is general. If you want to talk about specifics, ask your legal counsel if anyone can walk on to your campus and camp out there and talk about whatever they want. Does the university have to provide a meeting place for ANYONE who walks in? I think you will find that that is not the case. Since it is YOUR school who is hosting the list, you can easily understand that YOUR resources are being used by this person. This person, who does not go to your school, is using YOUR resources for this. If I walked on to your campus and railed against you, how long would it take for me to be arrested for trespassing and sued for slander? Would the school pay for me to print flyers to distribute? I think not. I think you get the point. The best way, as I have done, is to have a concrete set of rules and enforce them, as I do. If someone complains, I explain the rules to them, gently. This usually works. Further than that, enforce the rules and don't worry about it too much. Lastly, I think the fact that people pay too much attention to people like this makes them go further. The university he is at probably gave him back the accounts because they view him as a nuisance and don't want to be bothered with him. I am sure the university counsel did not say give it back because he might win a law case. The law is 99% against him, and, in fact, a good case could be made for him using public funds to slander you (libel, in the printed form) which is not protected. Lastly, some people may wonder how our (brain-dead U. S.) Supreme Court could rule in favor of Christian clubs being given access to public funds and space. While the decision is clearly without legal foundation, it is very clear that this does not apply to this sort of forum. The solution is to provide a list for interested people to use apart from general lists. That's how you avoid problems since you then provide a service without impacting others. The same analogy can be made for any group of people. The point I am trying to make is that this is quite a different case, so don't worry about this ruling when formulating your opinions. Nothing like freedom :-). ** ------------------------------------------------------------------ ** ** Geert K. Marien : [log in to unmask] (Bitnet: GKMQC@PUCC) ** ** ListOwner: AIRLINE, NODEINFO, RAILROAD, STAMPS, The INDIA List ** ** (All contents are my own opinions - unless otherwise stated) ** ** ------------------------------------------------------------------ **