More than a few listowners have put in filters to block anything from Demon, as they are definitely blithely unconcerned, to put it mildly. Unfortunate for those who use the provider, but the Demon folk are (choose your expletive) and, umm, less than helpful. Maybe, if everyone blocks subs from them, and their subscribers start going elsewhere, they'll get the message. Douglas Douglas Winship Hays County, Texas [log in to unmask] Secondary AUTOCAT Listowner