Have you contacted the postmaster or list maintainer at the host site? What's the topic of the list? With the header you sent it looks like it might be possible to get rid of the problem subs. even without the listowner. You might be able to find a willing, experienced listowner to help out, but you'll need the help of the host's postmaster or maintainer to add the idiot, oops, volunteer to the header as owner. Douglas Douglas Winship Hays County, Texas [log in to unmask] Secondary AUTOCAT Listowner MEDLAB-L