Eric: You said, first quoting me: > >FULLHDR settings increase the volume of each message > > We're talking about a total of maybe another 100k of data in an active > user's mailbox. If you have 10,000 users, it will add up to a whole > gigabyte :-) I am not sure if I understand you here. It sounds like you are agreeing that setting subscriptions to FULLHDR just to be able to get the MIME header lines is a solution that creates a disk space problem for most system administrators (in addition to the too many hop issue I already addressed): > >and, in some cases, result in the message having a header that exceeds > >the maximum hop count for the reciving mail systems, causing > >non-delivery. > > That's a problem with the receiving mail system, not with LISTSERV. The > 17 hop limit dates back to the early 80s. The users who are impacted will > complain to their local system administrators, who are the people with > the ability to change this setting. Well... forcing everyone on the planet to change their system configuration to allow more than 17 hops in a header seems like a rather excessive position when all you need is three extra lines that would not add to the hop count at all but *would* allow people to actually READ the messages delivered by LISTSERV instead of having them be garbage. For lists that support international dialog, I think that the default subscription method would be set to MIMEHDR, which would be the SHORTHDR, plus the three MIME lines. I cannot believe it's that hard to program it nor can I see the validity of your philosophical objections: > Let's face it, there will always be people who use 10 year old hardware > or software, but you can't hold progress because of them. Lets face it too that, as good as LISTSERV is, if you ignore the real-world requirements in favor of adhering to an abstract philosophy, other programs will come along which *will* be happy to address these important issues. At the very least, it makes using LISTSERV more difficult for a definable segment of Internet users. Cheers Mark Hunnibell Email: [log in to unmask] KIDLINK Gopher/WWW Coordinator http://www.connix.com/~markh/index.html