If the listowner wants to "see" non-subscriber postings, then SEND= PRIVATE is not what should be used. Instead, ou need "self-moderation," which is a subset of the anti-SPAM setup * SUBSCRIBE= OPEN,CONFIRM * SEND= EDITOR * EDITOR= a_real_editor_email_address,(listname) e.g., * EDITOR= [log in to unmask],(ADS-L) Thus, any non-subscriber (non-exact match between poster and subscriber) will "bounce" to the first editor (you). All ADS-L subscribers may post properly formatted mail messages to the list. Editor, may post, ignore, and return to sender. QED. -- co-owner: INFOSYS, TQM-L, CPARK-L, ERAPPA-L, JANITORS, LDBASE-L, et -L URL:mailto:[log in to unmask] "BEEP if you luv LDBASE"