For the record, when giving examples like: SUB XYZ-L John Doe or even: SUB XYZ-L Bill Clinton you will still end up with a number of John Does or Bill Clintons on any list with say 1000 users or more. And no, not always because English isn't the tongue Mom and Dad taught them. There are people who (I would hope) know that Bill Clinton is their president and who still don't find it a bit strange that they're asked to type his name in a subscription request for a mailing list about, say, Novell networking. Eric