[Ben Chi] > Shouldn't it be > SUBSCRIBE &LISTNAME Firstname Lastname? No, this is intentional. It was discussed a while back in regard to the Web interface, or perhaps CataList (probably CataList), which proposes the same subscription format. LISTSERV now sucks the name out of the headers if it can, and if not it will send back a note saying "please try again with your name". -- Norm The meek shall inherit the Earth -- after we're done with it.