A number of my lists are currently mirrored via Jim's fine service at american.edu to the bit.listserv.* hierarchy. One of them has become MUCH more trouble than it is worth for a variety of reasons I won't bore you with. I'd like to eliminate it. I know how to eliminate the feed from the list to the gateway, and can do that in a minute. However, is there any technical, political, or other way to assure that the bit.listserv.listname newsgroup dies and disappears? I'm concerned that if it still continues as a home for spam and such that the "bad reputation" of the newsgroup members (not just spammers, but a couple of jerks who've been dumped from the list for cause.....repeated flagrant violations of rules.....) will reflect back on the mailing list, which has a fine reputation as the one source for info of the type in the field. I tossed a note to Jim McIntosh about it, but I know he's way too busy to teach me about the politics and such of newsgroups, which I almost never visit. thanks, y'all dan Dan Lester [log in to unmask] In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Erasmus, 1534