Subscription= By Owner,Confirm was never available (and similarly, neither has "Closed,Confirm"--but I think that would be fairly obvious:). The 1.8c documentation is however ambiguous. My beta-1.8d master copy says under Confirm=, however: *** Open: The users are allowed to subscribe to the list. Open,Confirm: Before the users are allowed to subscribe to the list they must confirm their address with an "OK" response. No list owner intervention is required. By owner: The users are not allowed to subscribe, but their requests will be forwarded to the list owner. This is the default. Closed: The users are not allowed to subscribe, and their requests are not to be forwarded to the list owner. (The ",Confirm" option is used in conjunction with "Subscription= Open" only. It has no effect with the other two levels.) *** So the ambiguity has been cleared up in the beta manuals. I wish I knew when I did this, though; I can't find a revision note for it :( Nathan