Do you have your list set for self-moderation? That is, Send= Editor[,Hold] Editor= userid@host,(listname) I'm currently in the same boat as you, but I'm able to simply ignore all American.edu gateway posts. The only newsgroup posts that get bounced are those with the Newsguy.com address. I'm presuming that authors are getting two "your message has been forwarded" notices, but no one's complained. So the only one on my list being inconvenienced by American University's ignoring requests is me, and it's a minor inconvenience that I'm willing to live with after all the help they've given us over the years. The continued forwarding of posts doesn't worry me as much as the continuing question of admin authority of the bit.listserv.* groups. That really must be transferred. Mike Holloway [log in to unmask]