Be of GOOD cheer, Douglas W... there are other folks like you out here. I just wish there were time to discuss those issues! I don't really want my life to be dominated, even tho' it IS (reality never stopped me either) by being a ListOwner. I'd rather sit here, gathering practical info about this job and watch the fires go by. If you do discuss philosophy and psychology, I'll be watching! ** I find as listowner, I've absolutely no time even to participate in my own discussion group!! GEESCH!! Carolyn Schaffner in Buffalo, NY