Understood. But... all of the below would usually be links in a known chain of command. We have a server with 650+ lists, the vast majority of which have no affiliation with SJU at all. There are no records of who they were founded by and whether or not the founder was acting on behalf of someone/thing else and what got re-delegated over time. This one is a dictatorship run by a meglomaniac, that one is a democracy owned by the subscribers, over here's some kind of therapy group that answers to some organization, and here's a load of orphan lists "Owned" by volunteers because _none_ of the subscribers wanted to be owners after the founder vanished. Even the lists themselves... these changed their missions but didn't change their names, those did the opposite.... On 18 Dec 98, at 12:43, Pete Weiss wrote: >|...whatever. What's needed is a clear convention for ID'ing who the buck >|stops with in owner disputes. > ><satirical humor alert> > >Please generalize for multiple LISTSERV-maintainers, computing >facilities, organizational facility, state facilities, government >facilites, The Internet.