On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Pat Wolf wrote: >On 7 Oct 99, at 0:39, rex <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Being able to set individual posters to REVIEW is a great feature. >> A serious limitation of REVIEW is that the message cannot be >> altered without appearing to come from the editor. > > >You can edit a post and send it back to the list with an additional >header "Resent-From: [log in to unmask]". It will then appear >to come from the original sender. However this behavior *only* happens when the list is configured "Send= Editor". If the list is configured "Send= Private" (or any setting other than "Editor"), the post will appear to come from the *editor*, not the original sender, regardless of any "Resent-From:" headers that may be inserted. I am quite aware of this because I have two lists, one configured "Send= Editor", and one configured "Send= Private", and I can see the differing behavior on the two lists. The "Send= Editor" list is actually a self-moderated list, with the "Editor=" parameter coded as "[log in to unmask], (listname)" so that any subscriber can post without moderation but all posts from non-subscribers are sent to the editor for approval. All posts from subscribers set to REVIEW are also sent to the editor for approval. I have edited posts and "bounced" them to the list with "Resent-" headers and had them post as being "From" the original sender. (This method of configuring a list will, BTW, disable individual posting limits for all subscribers...not a problem for me.) My other list is configured "Send= Private" because there is no reason to accept non-subscriber posts at all (as well as no reason to moderate it). Posts from subscribers set to REVIEW come to me for approval. However, if I edit them and then "bounce" them with "Resent-" headers, Listserv will distribute them as having come from me. The only way I know of around this is to "spoof" the From: address, which doesn't leave the explicit record of what you did in the mail headers, and which I don't like to do anyway. It gets worse. I discovered that if the list is not configured "Send= Editor", the contents of the "Editor=" line are *ignored*. I am subbed to the list as "[log in to unmask]", which is actually an alias. When Pine "bounces" the post, he adds a "Resent-From:" of "[log in to unmask]", my "real" account. I am not subbed under that address, but I had added it in the "Editor=" line, and Listserv REJECTED the post. (In the case of the first list described, in the exact same situation, Listserv *accepted* the post. It appears that in this case Listserv is considering the primary listowner to be the "gatekeeper" no matter WHAT is in the "Editor=" parameter. I didn't think to create another mail configuration that would override the address that Pine was "bouncing" me as, so I was at a dead end. I approved the post as it was, and quickly followed with another post of my own adding the clarifications that I had wanted to stick (with my initials) in the original post. I just referred to my archive folder containing some of the messages in question, and it looks like I didn't test whether message approval itself would have worked using my "real" address, but I'll bet Listserv would have rejected the approval. It appears that Listserv was designed under the assumption that editing posts is relevant only to moderated lists, which is not necessarily true any longer now that we have the REVIEW option. In this case I was not using REVIEW to control an unruly subscriber; I was using it to process "announcements" being sent from a specific account to a number of lists including my own. A question to L-Soft...has L-Soft essentially decided that editing of posts is *never* relevant to lists that aren't set up as moderated? As well as deciding that in this case the primary listowner will always be the moderator in the case of those set to REVIEW? Or are there technical reasons that things continue to be set up this way? Dennis > >You need to use an e-mail program that allows you to generate that >header. I do it with Pegasus Mail. If you need more information, >please contact me. Pine can do this, Pegasus Mail can do this, there have been posts here in the past showing how Eudora can do this. Unfortunately, neither Pine nor Pegasus Mail allows you to directly edit a post that you forward in this manner. You have to be technically savvy enough to be able to do the editing outside of the E-mail program in a manner that will enable the mail program to pick up the altered message when you're done. Dennis > > >------------------------------------------- >Pat Wolf >[log in to unmask] >