>>> Winship <[log in to unmask]> 01/11 12:47 AM >>>
>Ok, so what does the initialism (it is likely that rather than an acronym)
>ORBS stand for? Do its "blacklists" have any official standing? If so,
>why? How does one check to see whom it has blacklisted?
>
>I was a big spam fighter back in the BITNET days. BITNET had an official
>rule banning *all* commercial use, and almost all Internet access was from
>.mil, .gov or .edu and there was a gentleman's agreement that there would
>be no commercial advertising. At that time spammers hacked their way in,
>used student accounts at .edu sites (sometimes not their own), etc. All
>the spam came from people who had no legitimate access, or violated their
>use agreements, so there was a reason to vigorously get after them. These
>days, since the Internet has been openned to commercial use, a great many
>are conducting 'spam' business as legitimate as those who clog my mailbox
>with physical junk mail (I will grant you there are still those who try to
>hide where they are coming from but the attempts are generally pretty
>feeple, easy to track).
>
>When SPAM-L was started, when Eric and Nathan asked that the excess spam
>stuff be moved from LSTOWN-L, I was a charter subscriber. I never said
>much, but tried to keep up with it. When the traffic got to be too much,
>and the tone became too militant for my taste, I dropped it (years ago).
>
>Spam that comes to me persaonally, well, I can spot it 9 out of 10 from
>the mail index and delete without opening (like throughing everying with
>bulk rate postage in the trash can without looking at it, except I don't
>send it to the landfill nor have to cart it to the recycle dump). Spam
>that comes to my lists, well, if they ain't subscribed it comes to me
>for approval; if they have subbed to spam they are auto on REVIEW and
>it comes me for approval. I simply do not approve the junk; legit
>subscribers can post freely but no one ever sees any spam on the lists,
>nor viruses, which is what I really care about.
>
>I'm not sure I like the idea of an oranization blacklisting an entire site
>because the organization thinks the site is "soft" on spam (I don't know
>that that is what ORBS does, but I sorta get that impression).
>
>Someone said something about an "ad hominem" attack. I don't recall that
>it was that. In an ad hominem one tries to refute what a person says by
>attacking the "person" rather than refuting what was said. Who the person
>is has no bearing on what he said, so attacking the person does not refute
>what he said; you have an ad hominem logicorhetorical fallacy.
>
>Douglas
>
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The only "official" standing is that some sites subscribe to its database
to obtain a list of what it considers spammers or spam enablers (e.g. open
relays).
I sent the following message to LISTOWN-L on Nov 1, 2000 with subject:
Re: Problems with USWest talking to MITVMA
You can look back at that thread for more on ORBS. I have not checked
the information in the links presented here for recent policy changes, so the
"delivery to non-existent subscriber" qualifier catches me by surprise. Do I
have that right? Does that mean that any undeliverable to unknown host
or user can get you on the list? Anyway, here is my message in is entirety
with links:
The address to verify if your mailserver IP address is in the ORBS database is::
http://www.orbs.org/verify_1.html
I checked my own server IP address there. I also used the 18.69.0.28 address given below. In checking out ORBS (Open Relay Behaviour-modification System), I also found additional anti-spam databasses at:
MAPS (Mail Abuse Prevention System LLC) RBL (Realtime Blackhole List).
http://www.mail-abuse.org/rbl/
with lookup feature at:
http://www.mail-abuse.org/cgi-bin/lookup
and MAPS RSS (Relay Spam Stopper) at:
http://mail-abuse.org/rss/index.html
with lookup feature at:
http://mail-abuse.org/cgi-bin/nph-rss
>>> Rich Greenberg <[log in to unmask]> 10/30 7:13 AM >>>
On: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 04:17:57PM -0800,Liz Marr Wrote:
} Here is the response one of my admin team got when asking why she was
} not getting message approvals or other admin type mail:
}
} --------
} The mail is not being delivered because the mailserver for the domain
} MITVMA.MIT.EDU (pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu) is in the ORBS
} database as being an open relay and therefore is not allowed to send mail
} to the Qwest.net domain.
} Please refer to www.orbs.org for information on what ORBS is and
} what you can do to get the mailserver (ip address 18.69.0.28) out of
} the listing.
} In the meantime, you may want to open a free webbased email account
} for the purpose of exchanging mail with MIT.
} -------
}
} First of all, can someone explain to me in English what in the world they are
} talking about. Second, does anyone have a solution besides the obvious.
} On the same note, HOTMAIL is either not delivering MITVMA Listserv
} messages, or MITVMA is not accepting HOTMAIL messages. So this
} freemail source is apparently not an option. Anyone have an inside track
} on this? HOTMAIL is recognizing my admin requests with APPLE server.
Liz, it means exactly what is says. If you don't know what ORBS is (and
this has been discussed many times) did you go to the referenced web
site?
As for hotmail, its probably in the midst of one of its periodic
meltdowns.
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