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Dear Experts :-):
Stan asked me to forward this to you, and since I am not subscribed to the
Listowners' list in my ecumene identity, I am forwarding it to my mercur
address, and will forward it from there to you (In that mail system I can't
add comments to messages I forward). As I wrote to Stan, this is only
happening to one of the three or four digests I get, and the contents is
different every night (there have been messages every day, and the digests
have been sent out every midnight). This did not start until February 28. Is
it possible that the program doesn't know that February has only 28 days? But
then, why doesn't this affect the other digests?
Ingrid
} Ingrid H. Shafer, Ph.D.
} Professor of Philosophy, Religion, & Interdisciplinary Studies
} University of Science and Arts of Oklahoma, Chickasha, OK 73018
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 99 09:40:37 EST
From: Stan Horwitz <[log in to unmask]>
To: Ingrid Shafer <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: GREELEY Digest - 28 Feb 1999 to 3 Mar 1999 (#1999-54) (fwd)
I am not sure about this. Would you mind referring this to the
LSTOWN-L list?
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:23:56 -0600 (CST) you said:
>Dear Stan,
>
>Another weird problem! For the past several days, the Greeley digest has been
>dated as above - 28 Feb 1999 - 1 Mar, 2 Mar, and now 3 March? What's going
>on? The other digests are dated normally.
>
>Ingrid
>
>
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>Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:00:01 -0500
>From: Automatic digest processor <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: "Andrew Greeley: Priest, Sociologist, Storyteller"
> <[log in to unmask]>
>To: Recipients of GREELEY digests <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: GREELEY Digest - 28 Feb 1999 to 3 Mar 1999 (#1999-54)
>
>There are 19 messages totalling 599 lines in this issue.
>
>Topics of the day:
>
> 1. Vote no to Long Distance Internet Access Charge (5)
> 2. Houdidi
> 3. Advice (3)
> 4. Apology to Donna
> 5. banks forced to spy?
> 6. Golf
> 7. Rebirth -- new poem by Ellen Kozisek
> 8. Joy -- new poem by Ellen Kozisek (2)
> 9. (no subject) (2)
> 10. New poems by Ellen Kozisek
> 11. Message from Donna Carter
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:08:09 -0600
>From: Katie Armistead <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Vote no to Long Distance Internet Access Charge
>
>Dear Friends,
>My husband has been going through this hoohah with his Panama Canal Zone
>mailing list, too. What the FCC said, is at this time they see no
>reason to change the agreements that currently stand regarding internet
>access. They have said that it is for state and local regulatory
>agencies to hash out, not them.
>I know this because my husband downloaded the actual document transcript
>from the FCC site, and waded through all that bureaucratese to get at
>the truth. The truth is, they aren't going to change anything right
>now. They concede that using the internet may be considered interstate
>phone use, but they contend that the agreements currently in place
>between phone service providers and the Internet Service Providers are
>the best way to handle it. This is not an exact quote, but it is the
>gist of what was said.
>The news agencies, as usual, didn't read all the information, and
>therefore put out some very sensational stories. Always, always, always
>take everything the media outlets say with a HUGE grain of salt. (Those
>of you who have loved ones in the military, you know what I mean.) They
>are out to get ratings or sell papers and magazines, not to tell you the
>truth. We had so much bogus crap spread around about the bombing that
>it was sickening. It got so I would only listen to the local reports,
>because they were at least attempting to be honorable about it. After
>all, some of them knew some of the people involved. (Oklahoma City
>really is a small town, you know.)
>Anyway, no need to get up in arms about the FCC. They aren't planning
>to do anything about rates for internet use. Now, you SHOULD keep an
>eye on your local and state regulatory agencies. They are the ones who
>ratify the agreements between your local telephone folks and the local
>Internet Service Providers.
>Just sharing the benefit of my husband's research.
>Katie
>
>Ingrid Shafer wrote:
>>
>> As far as I know this is a hoax and should not be sent further.
>>
>> Ingrid
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:55:17 -0500
>From: Ingrid Shafer <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Vote no to Long Distance Internet Access Charge
>
>Dear Katie,
>
>Thank you so much. I should have been more specific, but I was in a
>terrible hurry when I responded and the word "hoax" was the one term
>that came to mind. I should have written something like "vastly overblown
>and misunderstood rumor designed to spread panic among cyber citizens"
>:-).
>
>Peace, Ingrid
>
>} Ingrid H. Shafer, Ph.D.
>} Professor of Philosophy, Religion, & Interdisciplinary Studies
>} University of Science and Arts of Oklahoma, Chickasha, OK 73018
>} Adjunct Professor of Human Relations, University of OK, Norman, OK
>} Tel: 405.224.3140 (o) 405.224.3988 (h) FAX: 405.224.3044 (h)
>} Home address: 511 Minnesota Avenue, Chickasha, OK 73018
>} Email: [log in to unmask] & [log in to unmask]
>} http://www.usao.edu/~facshaferi/ http://www.ionet.net/~ihs
>} http://astro.temple.edu/~dialogue/ http://astro.temple.edu/~arcc/
>} http://ecumene.org/
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:21:46 EST
>From: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Houdidi
>
>In a message dated 3/2/99 10:38:58 PM Central Standard Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
><<
> Houdini has been causing trouble. He's decided no one in the family should
> sleep and keeps waking Andy up in the middle of the night. We've started
> closing the door to his room, but Houdini sits outside his door meowing.
> You wouldn't think 11 pounds of cat could make that much noise.
> >>
>
>Try to hang in there Chris. I am sure that as Houdini gets just a little
>older, he will settle down some. My prayers are with you and your family.
>Love,
>Eileen
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:35:47 -0500
>From: Sheila LaFountain <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Advice
>
>Christi,
>
>You could always suggest that Kim respond to the insensitive one with:
>
>"Gee, how helpful sis. Thanks! I'll mention that to Christi and her doctor
>and have them get back to you on that one! Maybe you could even accompany her
>to the next doctor appointment to discuss your alternative diagonsis with him
>yourself."
>
>ducking,
>Love,
>Sheila
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:07:08 -0500
>From: "Donna R. Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Vote no to Long Distance Internet Access Charge
>
>This is why I sent the internet sites out with what I wrote -- because yes,
>it is an FCC decision. The decision made was pretty much left up in the
>air, and it's important that it doesn't stay there as though it's not
>important to us. They still can reverse the ruling and make it mandatory
>that local states *cannot* change the telephone rates based on the notion
>that connecting to the internet is the same as a long distance call just
>because those connecting to the internet get information from places that
>are "long distance" *on* the internet.
>
>It has been verified as well by our own ISP who is already having trouble
>with the local phone company attempting to charge THEM long distance for
>their dialup rates in accessing the backbone (also a local dialup number)
>which of course if those charges were made, they would then *also* be
>passed along to us, their consumer, making our connection more expensive in
>*two* ways, not just one.
>
>It is important to keep aware, and be apprised, and I still think it's
>important to contact your representative and have the ruling/decision
>overturned or at least looked into more thoroughly. I was not intending to
>instigate a panic, nor was I attempting to pass along something that was
>"overblown" ... I just believe it's important to be informed. Hence the
>sites with further information.
>
>Even though I got this information from my dad, who I trust implicitly and
>who taught me to verify everything including "read the small print" I
>expect everyone to verify what they read on the internet before swallowing
>it hook line and sinker. People who keep themselves informed don't fall
>for everything they read, and get caught up in a horror of "hurry up and
>write your congressman and scream" panic, but they do verify things that
>might be of possible concern to them, and they are then able to write an
>informed and intelligent commentary to their representative. I rarely send
>out anything of this sort that I haven't verified first myself because
>there is a lot of trash out there and "old wives tales" and hoaxes - I
>verified this item too, even though it was from my dad.
>
>I thought it was something that was important enough to pass along so
>others could keep their eyes open too, if they were not previously aware.
>I was not trying to spread panic.
>
>It had nothing to do with AG, it was off-topic... so I guess it was a
>mistake to send it to the AG list.
>
>I'm sorry. I feel very strongly about this. I was trying to be
>informative. I was trying to be helpful. But next time I won't pass
>anything like that along to the list.
>
>--
>Donna
>
>At 03:55 AM 3/3/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Dear Katie,
>>
>>Thank you so much. I should have been more specific, but I was in a
>>terrible hurry when I responded and the word "hoax" was the one term
>>that came to mind. I should have written something like "vastly overblown
>>and misunderstood rumor designed to spread panic among cyber citizens"
>>:-).
>>
>>Peace, Ingrid
>>
>>} Ingrid H. Shafer, Ph.D.
>>} Professor of Philosophy, Religion, & Interdisciplinary Studies
>>} University of Science and Arts of Oklahoma, Chickasha, OK 73018
>>} Adjunct Professor of Human Relations, University of OK, Norman, OK
>>} Tel: 405.224.3140 (o) 405.224.3988 (h) FAX: 405.224.3044 (h)
>>} Home address: 511 Minnesota Avenue, Chickasha, OK 73018
>>} Email: [log in to unmask] & [log in to unmask]
>>} http://www.usao.edu/~facshaferi/ http://www.ionet.net/~ihs
>>} http://astro.temple.edu/~dialogue/ http://astro.temple.edu/~arcc/
>>} http://ecumene.org/
>>
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:16:19 -0600
>From: Katie Armistead <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Vote no to Long Distance Internet Access Charge
>
>Danita;
>I wasn't saying you were instigating a panic, I was just responding with
>my husband's experience because many people do NOT read the whole email,
>do NOT go check the other sites you so thoughtfully provided, and DO
>panic and scream without knowing the whole story. My husband has
>written to the address given on the FCC and other .gov sites for
>comment, and let them know in no uncertain terms that greedy phone
>companies (who already charge a LOT for service to providers) should not
>be allowed to kill the Internet.
>This bunch is much better about reading and about not panicking than the
>Zonelink crowd, but it is always best not to expect the end of the world
>over something that comes up as a news teaser or on the internet, home
>of countless overblown and hoax stories. Many out there are very new to
>the net and do not yet realize how many, many hoaxes and overblown
>stories are out there. (This includes careless news reporters, who I
>have heard, at least locally, pass on Internet hoaxes without checking
>first. I bet they do now, though, because they got SLAMMED for not
>checking!)
>My husband does provide an excellent Hoaxes page. You can find it from
>the main page at http://lostparadise.com
>Hope that clarifies my reason for writing. No hard feelings? :-)
>Katie
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:01:47 EST
>From: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Advice
>
>Chris, dear Heretic of ours, it's clear to me what the problem is, just needs
>a bit of analysis!
>
>Your child and cat are acting out, your in-laws are being pains in the tushie,
>your husband is on overload and you're totally frustrated in a way I'm only
>too familiar with.......just look out your window tonight dear heart.......the
>moon is full!!
>
>
>Much love,
>Lou;)
>(Micah 6:8)
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:46:17 -0500
>From: Ingrid Shafer <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Apology to Donna
>
>Dear Donna,
>
>I noticed you just signed off, and I apologize if I hurt you. Didn't you
>see the smiley [ :-) ] at the end of my message? My comment about the
>news being designed to spread panic among cybercitizens wasn't directed to
>you but to CNN and other "journalists" who clutter the cyberworld with
>disinformation. And it was supposed to be a gentle joke!!!! I knew you
>meant well, but you have to remember that I run several mailing lists and
>have been bombarded by this message plus piles of virus hoaxes and other
>messages innocent people forward to be helpful to others . . . A version
>of the FCC message has been wandering around the Net for years. I think
>it's possible that some sort of surcharge might be levied for Internet
>use of phone lines, and would think this might be fair because my phone
>certainly is used almost infinitely more with the web that without it. I
>used to make some ten to twelve local calls a month (most of my academic
>contacts are out of state), and now I access some 10-12 times a day (if I
>don't simply stay connected in the background).
>
>Believe me, THIS is one area in which I am VERY interested because I
>depend on being able to be attached to the Net practically all the time,
>and because I live in a small town which did not have access to a local
>provider until about four years ago when we were attached to the Oklahoma
>City region. The previous nine years I got on the Internet (not the WWW
>yet) by calling an access number in Chicago long distance . . . For some
>inexplicable reason calling Chicago from Oklahoma was much less expensive
>that callin Oklahoma City 40 miles from my house. So I GREATLY appreciate
>local providers.
>
>But this is not really the purpose of this message. PLEASE, come back. It
>just never occurred to me that you would be hurt any more than if I asked
>you not to send attachments or use html coding in your messages.
>
>Again, my apologies!
>
>Peace,
>
>Ingrid
>
>} Ingrid H. Shafer, Ph.D.
>} Professor of Philosophy, Religion, & Interdisciplinary Studies
>} University of Science and Arts of Oklahoma, Chickasha, OK 73018
>} Adjunct Professor of Human Relations, University of OK, Norman, OK
>} Tel: 405.224.3140 (o) 405.224.3988 (h) FAX: 405.224.3044 (h)
>} Home address: 511 Minnesota Avenue, Chickasha, OK 73018
>} Email: [log in to unmask] & [log in to unmask]
>} http://www.usao.edu/~facshaferi/ http://www.ionet.net/~ihs
>} http://astro.temple.edu/~dialogue/ http://astro.temple.edu/~arcc/
>} http://ecumene.org/
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:30:56 EST
>From: Denese Edsall <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: banks forced to spy?
>
>Isn't that the form they send to everybody now?!
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:35:07 -0500
>From: "Steven R. McEvoy" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Golf
>
>On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Christi Mead Nielsen wrote:
>
>> Moses and Jesus were part of a threesome playing golf one day.
>>
>> Moses pulled up to the tee and drove a long one. The ball landed in the
>> fairway, but rolled directly toward a water trap. Quickly Moses raised his
>> club, the water parted and it rolled to the other side, safe and sound.
>>
>> Next, Jesus strolled up to the tee and hit a nice long one directly toward
>> the same water trap. It landed right in the center of the pond and kind of
>> hovered over the water. Jesus casually walked out on the pond and chipped
>> the ball right up on to the green.
>>
>> The third guy got up and sort of randomly whacked the ball. It headed out
>> over the fence and into oncoming traffic on a nearby street. It bounced
>> off a truck and hit a nearby tree. From there, it bounced onto the roof of
>> a shack close by and rolled down into the gutter, own the drainspout, out
>> onto the fairway and straight toward the aforementioned pond. On the way
>> to the pond, the ball hit a little stone and bounced out over the water and
>> onto a lily pad, where it rested quietly. Suddenly a very large bullfrog
>> jumped up on a lily pad and snatched the ball into his mouth. Just then,
>> an eagle swooped down and grabbed the frog and flew away. As they passed
>> over the green, the frog squealed with fright and dropped the ball, which
>> bounced right into the hole for a beautiful hole in one.
>>
>> Moses turned to Jesus and said, "I hate playing with your Dad."
>
>
>I've heard the same joke with a diffrent punch line
>[Jesus turns around and says "ok dad are we gonna play golf or are you
>gonna goof around allday?"
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:20:58 -0600
>From: Ellen Kozisek <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Rebirth -- new poem by Ellen Kozisek
>
>Rebirth
> by Ellen Kozisek
>
>To be new --
>Reborn.
>To come alive.
>I feel myself a new person.
>
>Who I was, I am not --
>But yet I am.
>The same, but different.
>Not who I thought I was,
>I have become more myself.
>
>I am a poet.
>I am a lover.
>I am a creature of God.
>And I am loved.
>
>God has come alive in my heart
>And I am reborn.
>
>
>Ellen
>my personal page http://users.solve.net/~kozisek/
>Mother's Army http://users.solve.net/~kozisek/ma/
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:28:07 -0600
>From: Ellen Kozisek <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Joy -- new poem by Ellen Kozisek
>
>Joy
> by Ellen Kozisek
>
>I am ready to bust open with joy!
>I am alive!
>
>I feel peace.
>Peace -- and joy.
>
>My heart is over flowing with love.
>
>I can smile again.
>I have found the joy deep in my heart.
>
>
>Ellen
>my personal page http://users.solve.net/~kozisek/
>Mother's Army http://users.solve.net/~kozisek/ma/
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:36:02 -0800
>From: Fran Apolito <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Joy -- new poem by Ellen Kozisek
>
>Dear Ellen,
>
>Your new poems express the same Ellen in a new way! I'm glad you shared
>them with us!
>
>Love,
>Fran
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:36:12 EST
>From: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Vote no to Long Distance Internet Access Charge
>
>No donna, you did good.
>Lynn
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:45:56 EST
>From: Mary Pyles <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Advice
>
>Chris,
>
>It does not matter what your sister in law thinks. What is important is what
>you think.
>
>Mary
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:11:29 EST
>From: Mary Pyles <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: (no subject)
>
>These are neat facts.........
>
>Betcha Didn't Know...
> > * Rubber bands last longer when refrigerated.
> > * Peanuts are one of the ingredients of dynamite.
> > * The national anthem of Greece has 158 verses.
> > * No one in Greece has memorized all 158 verses.
> > * There are 293 ways to make change for a dollar.
> > * There are more chickens than people in the world.
> > * Two-thirds of the world's eggplant is grown in New Jersey.
> > * The longest one-syllable word in the English language is
> > "screeched."
> > * On a Canadian two dollar bill, the flag flying over the Parliament
> > Building is an American flag.
> > * All of the clocks in the movie Pulp Fiction are stuck on 4:20.
> > * No word in the English language rhymes with month, orange, silver or
> > purple.
> > * "Dreamt" is the only English word that ends in the letters "mt".
> > * All 50 states are listed across the top of the Lincoln Memorial on
> > the back of the $5.00 bill.
> > * Almonds are members of the peach family.
> > * Winston Churchill was born in a ladies' room during a dance.
> > * Maine is the only state whose name is just one syllable.
> > * There are only four words in the English language which end in
> > "-dous": tremendous, horrendous, stupendous, and hazardous.
> > * Tigers have striped skin, not just striped fur.
> > * A goldfish has a memory span of three seconds.
> > * On an American one-dollar bill, there is an owl in the upper
> > left-hand corner of the "1" encased in the "shield" and a spider hidden
> in
> > the front upper right-hand corner.
> > * Mr. Rogers is an ordained minister.
> > * John Lennon's first girlfriend was named Thelma Pickles.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:21:43 EST
>From: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: New poems by Ellen Kozisek
>
>Ellen:
>
>Well written!
>
>Have you been hit upside the head by a cosmic baseball bat, a la Red Kane!
>
>Peace and grace,
>
>Bill Olewiler
>United Methodist pastor
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:56:20 +0900
>From: Sonny Ashimori <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Message from Donna Carter
>
>Hi List,
>
>Here's a message from Donna Carter <[log in to unmask]> that I was asked
>to forward to the list. She is currently off list.
>
>Sonny
>
>---------------------
>
>Oops, I intended to send this out before and didn't, so I am having to have
>it forwarded (thank you, Sonny) :)
>
>If somebody wants the rest of "The Touch of the Spirit" please let me know
>_off list_ at <[log in to unmask]> and I will continue to send it out,
>however, I have removed myself from the email list.
>
>I'm sorry, please don't take this as my "leaving in a huff." I've realized
>over the last few months that my email box is too full all the time and
>I've mostly only been skimming topics lately, and despite all the warm,
>cyber parish community here, I'm not Catholic, and I'm not that big on
>prayer, and it seems most anything I've written to the list has either been
>completely overlooked and ignored or trounced upon anyway, so perhaps it
>isn't where I belong.
>
>No offense taken, and there certainly was never any offense meant.
>Sometimes things just don't "click" :)
>
>--
>Donna
>
>__________________________________________
>Sonny M. Ashimori
>[log in to unmask]
>http://www.serve.com/ashimori
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:36:03 -0500
>From: Jamie Gerow <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: (no subject)
>
> > * On a Canadian two dollar bill, the flag flying over the Parliament
> > Building is an American flag.
>
>
>This one isn't true...the flag flying over the Parliament Building is the
>Red Ensign...flag of Canada until 1965...the picture shows the Parliament
>Building in a pre-1965 state...
>
>Jamie
>
>------------------------------
>
>End of GREELEY Digest - 28 Feb 1999 to 3 Mar 1999 (#1999-54)
>************************************************************
>
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