On Mon, 22 Mar 1993 09:50 EST, Jim Gerland <GERLAND@UBVM> wrote:
>Here's another site to add to your SERVE OFF lists :-(
Whoa! I see no compelling reason to do so.
It's only one specific mailing-list at one site which is having problems.
Unfortunately for you, it's your site. :-)
As usual, skip to the bottom of the posting, and work towards the top.
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Error occurred while processing file 5667 from [log in to unmask]:
>"Mail has been received from a user which has been served out".
>------------------- Message causing the problem (39 lines) --------------------
>Return-Path: <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:[log in to unmask]>
>Received: from GS58.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2)
> with TCP; Sat, 20 Mar 93 21:10:49 EST
>Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 21:08:34 EST
>From: "GS58.SP.CS Mail System" (MMDF) <[log in to unmask]>
>Sender: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Waiting mail (msg.aa24290)
3. The message from LISTSERV reached the host of this list-owner.
So, why couldn't this host deliver it to the 'G.GP' machine?
Use of the 'FINGER' command shows:
! [gs58.sp.cs.cmu.edu]
! Login name: michal In real life: Michal Prussak
! Directory: /usr0/michal Shell: /usr/cs/bin/csh
! On since Mar 22 09:38:03 15 minutes Idle Time
! on ttyt0 from 128.2.209.90: via KRUSHER.VI.RI.CMU.EDU
! Mail is forwarded to [log in to unmask]
! Plan:
! Graduate Student, Computer Science
! Lab: WeH 5320, phone x8716 (I'm in the lab 99.9999% of the time)
! Office: WeH 5103, Office Phone x7571
! Home: 5450 Fair Oaks St., Pittsburgh, PA 15217, (412) 683-2786
! Machine: gs58.sp
So, the answer is that Michal's E-mail is "forward"-ed to another machine,
and that machine was "down" for a few days. Nothing untypical! :-)
>To: @ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu:[log in to unmask]
>
> After 2 days (25 hours), your message has not yet been fully delivered.
> Attempts to deliver the message will continue for 4 more days.
>
> Delivery attempts are still pending for the following address(es):
>
> [log in to unmask] (host: g.gp.cs.cmu.edu) (queue: smtp)
>
> Problems usually are due to service interruptions at the receiving
> machine. Less often, they are caused by the communication system.
2. Where did the ID "michal+@g.gp.." come from? For answer, see above!
When I tried the PING, TELNET, and E-mail ports on the 'G.GP' machine,
they all responded. So, the "service interruption" must have ended. :-)
The "host-info" record for this machine shows 'MICRO-VAX-3 UNIX',
i.e., another "if it breaks, it's not mission-critical, so we'll fit
it soon" machine. So, it's reasonable that it could have went "down"
on Friday and Saturday, and not have been fixed until Monday (today).
> Your message begins as follows:
>
>Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by GS58.SP.CS.CMU.EDU id aa24290;
> 19 Mar 93 19:33:42 EST
>Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 17:52:08 -0500
>From: Revised List Processor (1.7e) <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: POLAND-L: error report from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU
>To: [log in to unmask]
>
>The enclosed mail file, found in the POLAND-L reader and shown under the
>spoolid 4880 in the console log, has been identified as a possible delivery
1. Note that 'LISTSERV@UBVM' is sending E-mail regarding an E-mail problem
with the 'POLAND-L@UBVM' mailing list to "Michal Prussak". Why? Because
LISTSERV is "working-as-designed". :-) I sent a 'REVIEW POLAND-L (SHORT'
command to 'LISTSERV@UBVM', and it lists two owners, namely:
* Owner= [log in to unmask] (Michal Prussak)
* Owner= [log in to unmask] (Witold Owoc)
So, Michal is a "list-owner" for this specific mailing-list.
It's unusual, but not unethical, to have non-BITNET-eers as list-owners.
A quick look at a "host-info" record shows that 'gs58' is a IBM-PC/RT,
i.e., an adequate, though aging, piece of hardware and software,
in the CS (probably "Computer Science", rather than "Computing Services")
department. Consider the "owner" of the machine, and transform that into
a "length-of-time-after-it-breaks-before-it-gets-fixed" measure. :-)
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