On Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 10:49:39PM -0400, Michael McNeil wrote:
> I believe Sent=Editor is required to allow Moderator= and load share the
> editing.  I understand that REVIEW and EDITOR are opposite to one another.
> However, I cannot understand why I was receiving the two types of messages,
> particularly in respect of some subscribers who had identical settings.

REVIEW and EDITOR are not exactly alternatives. REVIEW still functions
with EDITOR set. The result is that a message that is edited and sent
to the list comes back again (with different LISTSERV boilerplate
prepended) for "OK" approval. This is probably why you are seeing two
types of messages; one is the message sent due to EDITOR being set and
the other is the message sent due to REVIEW being set.

[...]
> How can I ensure:
>
> 1.  the ability to edit, not simply approve/disapprove, posts for
> subscribers set to REVIEW
> 2.  new subscribers automatically set to REVIEW (I presume the
> Default-Options=REVIEW should simply remain)

The method I settled on after trying various alternatives is outlined
below. Since you're using Eudora Pro, you can insert the required
Resent-*: header by using a persona with "Extraheaders" set in the
eudora.ini file. The details are also below.

You don't need to set new subscribers to REVIEW; Since they are not
editors, and send=EDITOR is set, their posts will come to you for
(possible) editing.

An edited composite of three of my posts from the archives:

Date:         Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:39:47 -0700
From: rex <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Editing some posts w/o approving all

Being able to set individual posters to REVIEW is a great feature.
A serious limitation of REVIEW is that the message cannot be altered
without appearing to come from the editor.

The alternative of setting
* Send= editor

allows the editor to modify posts and still have them appear to come
from the original author. However, it forces (AFAIK) _all_ messages to
go to the editor for approval, regardless of REVIEW or NOREVIEW. This
is wasteful of the editor's time as the majority of subscribers learn
list netiquette and it should should be possible for them to be post
without approval when they do.

Perusing LISTSERV's documentation, it appears the desired effect
could be obtained by

set mylist editor for *@*

and then

set mylist noeditor for clueless1@whereever
set mylist noeditor for clueless2@whereever
     .
     .
     .
with

* Send= editor

in the list header. With these settings, the clueful majority can
post directly to the list, while the clueless minority's posts will
go to the editor for editing/approval.

[...]


Date:         Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:38:41 -0700
From: rex <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: Editing some posts w/o approving all

[...]
I've tested the method I proposed ("* Send= Editor") when I initiated
the thread. It seems to work the way I expected: The majority of
posters are set to be editors (set mylist editor for *@*), and the
problem posters are set to be non-editors one-by-one. When editors
post their posts go directly to the list. When non-editors post
I get a message to be approved, which I bounce to my list. "Bounce"
means I add the single line "Resent-From: [log in to unmask]" to the
headers. Nothing else is changed in the headers. I'm free to edit
the body of the message. The message I send back to the list is:

==================================================================
From: Somebody <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Resent-From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CHAT: ignore

This message was originally submitted  by [log in to unmask] to the BIRDTECH-L
list at LISTSERV.AOL.COM.  If you simply forward  it back to thelist, using a
mail command  that generates "Resent-" fields  (ask your local user support or
consult  the documentation  of  your mail  program  if in  doubt),  it will  be
distributed  and  the  explanations  you   are  now  reading  will  be removed
automatically. If on the other hand you edit the contributions you receive into
a digest, you will have to  remove this paragraph manually. Finally, you should
be able  to contact  the author  of this  message by  using the normal "reply"
function of your mail program.

----------------- Message requiring your approval (11 lines)------------------
On Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 12:26:26AM -0700, Nobody wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 12:11:18AM -0700, Somebody wrote:
> > > > Anyone have two pet bats?
> > >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > What kind?
>
> Foxes.

Flying foxes?

===================================================================

The result is that the message (sans LISTSERV boilerplate) appears
on the list and appears to come directly from [log in to unmask]
LISTSERV adds "Approved-By: [log in to unmask]" to the headers, so there
is a record of the editor's intervention.

The advantages of this method are:
1) The editor needn't approve most messages (same as NOREVIEW)
2) The editor can handle approvals in one step.
3) The editor can edit the message body at will, but the message appears
   to come from the original author.

The (possible) disadvantages are:
1) Daily message limits do not apply.
2) Non-subscriber posts will be sent to the primary editor.
3) The editor needs a MUA that will "bounce" a message by inserting
   "Resent-From: the_editor" without altering any other header lines,
   especially the "From: ..." line. The MUA must also allow editing
   of the message (some MUAs will not allow editing of a bounced
   message).
----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Changes that need to be made to Eudora.ini
=====================================================================

Date:         Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:51:40 -0700
From: rex <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: Software for bouncing (resending) nonsubbed message?

[...]
>From: [log in to unmask]
>To: "LISTSERV list owners' forum" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Resent-From works with Eudora
>Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:08:01 -0800

Rex Senegal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>copy eudora.ini to mylist.ini and add the line
>ExtraHeaders=Resent-From: [log in to unmask] <---- listowner's address
>just below [Settings]. Start Eudora using mylist.ini and every new
>message will have "Resent-From: mjw@BAHNHOF" added to the headers.
>When a message comes in for approval, use "Redirect", fill in the list
>address on the "To:" line, edit the message (if desired) and send it
>to the list. The message will show up on the list as orginating from
>the orginal poster, and LISTSERV will automatically remove the
>boilerplate header it adds to messages sent to the moderator.

There is a better way: create a "listmgr" persona in Eudora. Instead
of adding
ExtraHeaders=Resent-From: [log in to unmask]  <--- listowner's address
below [Settings] in eudora.ini, add it below [Persona-listmgr]. When
a message from LISTSERV comes in for approval, use <shift-redirect>
and select the "listmgr" personality. Send the (possibly) edited
message to the list. This works just as the above does, but it avoids
the problem of having to either use two versions of Eudora, or having
every message sent out with a "Resent-From:" line. Only those messages
redirected with the "listmgr" personality will have the line inserted.
[...]

HTH,

-rex
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