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Paul Karagianis <[log in to unmask]>
Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:03:53 -0500
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On 13 Feb 2006, at 10:47, Elizabeth wrote:

>University of Kentucky listserv.  My emails to the list show up almost
>immediately in the archives, but take 24-48 hours to show up in my inbox.
>I'm only receiving around 1/2 of others' emails from the list, and those are
>also coming through very slowly.  A few other members have reported the same
>problem.

My site had bellsouth included as one of many phone companies that rate (or
volume) limited its connections to Maelstrom - initially refused mail and
usually accpted it after many retries - my response to my community
included:

On 3 Dec 2005, at 8:51, T Rawson wrote:

>
>I am confused because I thought Listserv waited a lot longer than 15
>minutes before discarding a message.
>

Just to get out a quick answer... Verizon, and a bunch of other phone
companies, runs some kind of anti-spam -uh- logic?  system? that involves
them refusing mail.  I've been in contact with them in the not so recent
past -this has been going on for well over a year- and have explained
that refusing mail causes queues to build up to whatever the maximum time
is (the default is *4* days, but I start deleting after 3) and then some
percentage of the mail gets deleted.  So mail gets deleted no matter what
the retry time is, but average delivery time for the stuff that gets
through lengthens for longer queue times.  So Verizon get zero retries,
and has been for almost two years:

! The below sites are severely "resource limited".  Dec 2003
!
 site   verizon.net                   expiration="0 00:00:00"
 site   bellatlantic.net              expiration="0 00:00:00"
 site   bellsouth.net                 expiration="0 00:00:00"
 site   gte.net                       expiration="0 03:00:00"

For some reason, probably low volume, GTE works best at 3 hours.

I've had this conversation, in simple English, with Verizon and have
made it clear that we will ask them one time "do you want this mail?"
and if they say "No" then we will immediately delete it.  One piece
at a time mind you, which increases the probablility that they will
say "Yes" to the next piece.  They don't care.  They Are The Phone
Company, They *Really* Don't Care.  And I believe I've explained this
before in SJUOWNER, probably in passing, that I find this ISP beyond
my understanding... I see their commercials on TV and just shake my
head in disbelief.

                                      -Kary

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