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>There are 16 messages totalling 492 lines in this issue.
>
>Topics of the day:
>
> 1. x-L: @ENTECHENG.NOVELL.NET joined the list (6)
> 2. Archive clean-up policies
> 3. My Wish List.
> 4. Access to private listserv (2)
> 5. Fake subscription requests (3)
> 6. Too many hops? (3)
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:57:30 -0800
>From: Eric Paul-Hus <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: x-L: @ENTECHENG.NOVELL.NET joined the list
>
>Bon Matin Pete,
>
>I don't know much but I've seen "#" in "european" addresses and some
>".com" like they were put there by the routers or something ... not it
>sub addresses as is that I recall but since I think LISTSERV parses the
>Sender or X-Sender field I think it is a "possible" valid one ...
>
>Why do "#" make suspicious ? Is it normally reserved for a specifc
>usage?
>--
>Eric Paul-Hus
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:47:29 -0500
>From: Steve Howie <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Archive clean-up policies
>
>I was just wondering what policies sites running Listserv had in place for
>archiving/deleting list archives. Do you clean them monthly to leave, say,
>the previous 12 months worth of archives available for a list? Do you copy
>these 'old' archives to tape, or just delete them? Any information would
>be appreciated, since we're now at the point where list archives are
>taking up a significant amount of space and we have to start dealing with
>them.
>
>Thanks for any tips,
>
>Scotty
>=======================================================
>Steve Howie email: [log in to unmask]
>Netnews and Listserv Admin fax: (519) 763-6143
>University of Guelph phone: (519) 824-4120 x2556
>
>If it's not Scottish its CRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP
>=======================================================
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:47:05 -0500
>From: Don Wiss <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: My Wish List.
>
>It's short, but these two things could help solve some typical listowner
>problems that now are controlled by banners that you hope the subscriber
>reads.
>
>(1) Listowner control over rejecting messages with (a) no subject and (b) a
>subject that contains the string "LISTNAME Digest - ". The rejecting
>messages would be in the MAILTPL file.
>
>(2) Listowner control over the percentage of the post that is quoted.
>Excessive quoting control should be something the owner can set, along with
>a message in MAILTPL.
>
>Then, before any gee whiz features like web control of listowner functions,
>I'd like to see the commands missing from the non-VM 1.8c, like PACKAGES,
>GIVE, AFD, FUI, STATS, etc.
>
>Don. NO-MILK/PALEODIET
>
>P.S. Now, if listserv could also reject posts with big signatures....
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:13:49 -0500
>From: Bogdan Kowalczyk <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Access to private listserv
>
>Hi,
> I operate a "private" listserv and I would like to allow
>designated outsiders to post messages via this listserv. Are there any
>settings which would allow me to do that without including these people on
>the listserv?
> Bogdan.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:04:44 -0500
>From: Pete Weiss <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: x-L: @ENTECHENG.NOVELL.NET joined the list
>
>>I don't know much but I've seen "#" in "european" addresses and some
>>".com" like they were put there by the routers or something ... not it
>>sub addresses as is that I recall but since I think LISTSERV parses the
>>Sender or X-Sender field I think it is a "possible" valid one ...
>>
>>Why do "#" make suspicious ? Is it normally reserved for a specifc
>>usage?
>
>Often times in VM/CMS, the pound sign is used a command-line separator
>i.e., you can "stack" multiple commands on one physical input line.
>
>If you think of the pound sign as a place holder similar to the use of the
>asterisk e.g., "you are being made out to be an a**," I think you'll catch
>my drift. Of course you then might a**ume that I have a filthy MIME. ;-)
>
>/Pete Weiss
>
>--
>mailto:[log in to unmask] Tel: +1 814 863 1843
>31 Shields Bldg; University Park, PA 16802-1202 USA
>(Please use my new e-mail address - no M/Frame mail)
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:13:48 -5
>From: Francoise Becker <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Access to private listserv
>
>On 2 Apr 97, Bogdan Kowalczyk <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I operate a "private" listserv and I would like to allow
>> designated outsiders to post messages via this listserv. Are there any
>> settings which would allow me to do that without including these people on
>> the listserv?
>> Bogdan.
>
>I do that with my list. Instead of Send= Private use
>
>* Send= Editor, Hold
>* Editor= [log in to unmask],(your-list-name)
>* Editor= [log in to unmask]
>
>You can have as many editors as you want. They do not have to be
>subscribed. Any messages coming from
>someone not on the list and not listed as an editor will go to the
>first editor ( [log in to unmask]) for approval.
>
>Francoise
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:59:52 EST
>From: Dave Hardy <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Fake subscription requests
>
>On Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:03:20 -0500 Cathleen said:
>>[log in to unmask] Catht Interlog
>>
>>When I e-mail them myself, my messages bounce back without fail.
>>
>>It's driving me crazy, and my instinct is to just start deleting all the
>>subscribe requests that come in with this format - what do you think?
>
>This sounds like some of the "LISTSERV(R) attacks" that occur occasionally
>
>where someone tries to subscribe a whole bunch of people to as
>many lists as possible. When I've seen this before the "first name" and
>"last name" were always the same and the same as the account, i.e.
>
>[log in to unmask] catht catht
>
>I would definitely delete all requests that come in with this format;
>chances are quite good they are bogus, IMHO. My suggestion is to require
>real names on the list and delete anything that is obviously bogus such
>as the example you gave and the one I gave.
>
>
>>>> Dave Hardy Internet: [log in to unmask]
> DISCUS-L owner (Discus fish) Stripes owner (Angelfish)
> CASTRECL co-owner (Musical Theatre cast recordings)
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:38:20 -0500
>From: Russ <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Too many hops?
>
>Forgive my ignorance here, but I frequently get lots of messages
>indicating mail failures due to too many hops. I recently decided that I
>would remove these subscribers, but rather than doing it quietly I
>figured I would send them notification. Since the unsubscribe
>notifications wouldn't cause too many hops I figured they would get
>there and people would see that they had been unsubscribed.
>
>Anyway, most of the people whom I removed were not thrilled that I had
>done so. Seems they have been receiving the list messages, despite their
>apparent failure according to the bounce messages I've been getting.
>
>My question is, what does an error message indicating too many hops
>really mean. I know it means that the SMTP server feels there have been
>too many re-routings in the message header, but does it mean it didn't
>get delivered? Is it just a warning?
>
>Finally, is there some way to hide the confirmation process within the
>header of outgoing messages? Currently there are 8 Received: lines which
>account for the steps each message must go through from coming in from
>the poster to getting delivered to the first subscriber SMTP server (see
>the headers below).
>
>My setup is that I have one SMTP server for incoming mail
>(mail.rc.on.ca) which re-routes messages for Listserv on to a machine
>running both Listserv and LSMTP (listserv.lists.rc.on.ca). It would seem
>that it adds a header entry when it passes the message from LSMTP to
>Listserv, then back from Listserv to LSMTP to be sent to the moderator
>(an address at mail.rc.on.ca). Once approved it goes through LSMTP to
>Listserv, from Listserv back to LSMTP to be delivered to the subscribers
>directly.
>
>When the messages have additional hops from the posters mail system, or
>if the subscriber's mail system requires additional hops for delivery,
>its quite easy for the number of hops to go over 12 (or more). The
>errors sometimes indicate that 12 was too many or 18, those seem to be
>typical values.
>
>Apart from reconfiguring how my machines are designated, any suggestions
>as to how I can reduce the number of hops a message takes within my
>control?
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>Cheers,
>Russ
>R.C. Consulting, Inc. - NT/Internet Security
>
>owner of the NTBugTraq mailing list:
>Send SUBSCRIBE NTBUGTRAQ Yourname to [log in to unmask]
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:07:55 -0600
>From: George Blake <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Fake subscription requests
>
>Here is a possible fake subscription request I just received on
>MENTAL-HEALTH-WORKER mailing list.
>I emailed them and asked who they are and what they want with our list but
>have received no reply. The message did not bounce back. Does anyone know
>what "Internet Newswire" is?
>
>George Blake
>[log in to unmask]
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-----
>
>Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:42:37
>
>Internet Newswire <[log in to unmask]> has just subscribed to the
>MENTAL-HEALTH-WORKER list (MENTAL-HEALTH-WORKER).
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:59:39 -0500
>From: Stan Ryckman <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: x-L: @ENTECHENG.NOVELL.NET joined the list
>
>At 08:04 AM 4/2/97 -0500, Pete Weiss wrote:
>>>I don't know much but I've seen "#" in "european" addresses and some
>>>".com" like they were put there by the routers or something ... not it
>>>sub addresses as is that I recall but since I think LISTSERV parses the
>>>Sender or X-Sender field I think it is a "possible" valid one ...
>>>
>>>Why do "#" make suspicious ? Is it normally reserved for a specifc
>>>usage?
>>
>>Often times in VM/CMS, the pound sign is used a command-line separator
>>i.e., you can "stack" multiple commands on one physical input line.
>>
>>If you think of the pound sign as a place holder similar to the use of the
>>asterisk e.g., "you are being made out to be an a**," I think you'll catch
>>my drift. Of course you then might a**ume that I have a filthy MIME. ;-)
>
>I checked RFC 822, since I wasn't sure. "#" is not any kind of special
>character, and is thus perfectly valid in an email address (if anyone
>wants to create them that way). Frankly, I wouldn't have guessed that.
>
>The problem with putting them on review is that maybe they'll just lurk
>for a year, and then finally make a post--which will occur on the first
>day of your 3-week vacation. Then they'll wonder where it went. :-)
>
>(Not criticizing your decision BTW, just noticing that it looks like
>an activator for Murphy's Law.)
>
>Cheers,
>Stan
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:30:51 -0500
>From: Cathleen <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Fake subscription requests
>
>At 11:07 AM 4/2/97 -0600, George Blake wrote:
>>Here is a possible fake subscription request I just received...
>> Does anyone know what "Internet Newswire" is?
>>-----
>>Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:42:37
>>
>>Internet Newswire <[log in to unmask]> has just subscribed to the
>>MENTAL-HEALTH-WORKER list (MENTAL-HEALTH-WORKER).
>
>I got a subscription request from this one, as well. An no, nobody ever
>replied to the e-mail I sent to the address.
>
>
>
>
>
>~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~
> Cathleen Takahashi - [log in to unmask]
>Solution List - www.geocities.com/Athens/2421
>~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:22:57 -0500
>From: Pete Weiss <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Too many hops?
>
>Easter is over ;-) No more hopping!
>
>Seriously, this same discussion has previously appeared in the lstown-l
>archives this year. To clarify one issue: LISTSERV(R) command output does
>not follow the same bunny trail as a LISTSERV(R) list distribution. The
>latter usually involving more hops. Not all list distribututions follow
>the same path for the same list to the same host site either. Confused?
>
>/Pete Weiss at Penn State
>
>--
>mailto:[log in to unmask] Tel: +1 814 863 1843
>31 Shields Bldg; University Park, PA 16802-1202 USA
>(Please use my new e-mail address - no M/Frame mail)
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:45:14 -0600
>From: Bill Harrison <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: x-L: @ENTECHENG.NOVELL.NET joined the list
>
>On 2 Apr 97 12:24:32 -0400, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>>I checked RFC 822, since I wasn't sure. "#" is not any kind of special
>
>Where may I access this RFC?
>
>
>Bill Harrison
>[log in to unmask]
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:51:32 -0500
>From: "Lawrence B. York" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: x-L: @ENTECHENG.NOVELL.NET joined the list
>
>On 2 Apr 97 at 13:45, Bill Harrison wrote:
>
>> On 2 Apr 97 12:24:32 -0400, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>> >I checked RFC 822, since I wasn't sure. "#" is not any kind of special
>>
>> Where may I access this RFC?
>
> http://ds0.internic.net/ds/rfc-index.html will take you to the
>index of all RFCs and...
>
> http://ds0.internic.net/rfc/rfc0822.txt will take you right to
>that particular RFC.
>
>
>Lawrence B. York
>L-Soft International, Inc.
>[log in to unmask]
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:11:14 -0500
>From: Russ <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Too many hops?
>
>>Seriously, this same discussion has previously appeared in the lstown-l
>>archives this year. To clarify one issue: LISTSERV(R) command output
>does
>
>Sorry, I should have checked the archives first, I'll do that now.
>
>>not follow the same bunny trail as a LISTSERV(R) list distribution.
>The
>>latter usually involving more hops. Not all list distribututions
>follow
>>the same path for the same list to the same host site either.
>Confused?
>
>Yes.
>
>> Cheers,
>> Russ
>> R.C. Consulting, Inc. - NT/Internet Security
>>
>> owner of the NTBugTraq mailing list:
>> Send SUBSCRIBE NTBUGTRAQ Yourname to [log in to unmask]
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:57:06 -0500
>From: "Lawrence B. York" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: x-L: @ENTECHENG.NOVELL.NET joined the list
>
>On 2 Apr 97 at 14:51, Lawrence B. York wrote:
>
>> http://ds0.internic.net/rfc/rfc0822.txt will take you right to
>> that particular RFC.
>
> Sorry -- finger fault! That URL is:
>
> http://ds0.internic.net/rfc/rfc822.txt
>
>Lawrence B. York
>L-Soft International, Inc.
>[log in to unmask]
>
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>
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