Dear Tom,
Good points also and I can understand your point of view very well. I
neglected to mention, several months back, a potential problem that almost
got out of hand as a result of allowing current subscribers to "review" a
list, ie, actually see who has subscribed, except for those who were
concealed.
The problem, it turned out, was somebody developed a "spam" list, that used
a good portion of our subscriber list, to retaliate one's view on a topic
"off-list". I know the list was obtained via the "review" option, since it
was set 'on' and because after some tracing and arm-twisting, I finally
caught up with the person who did this and he saw absolutely nothing wrong
with it. Because I acted swiftly on this matter, I was able to contain the
situation. After this strange incident, I decided it would be much safer in
terms of respecting one's privacy, in the least, by not allowing a whole
subscriber list to float around.
I do understand that my list, "Assisi-L" is a public mailing list. However,
I also feel, when its possible, to suppress any possibilities of mass
spamming. Since then, I haven't had any problems or reports from any of our
subscribers complaining about spamming from subscribers on our list.
Dan Frezza, SFO
Listowner of Assisi-L
> Both Dan Frezza and Jason Rasku (in a separate note) bring up very good
> concerns about making the list of actual subscribers readily available. I
> suspect this never occurred to me because I run lists inside a corporate
> firewall. My concerns are less security than trying to enhance
> communication within the corporation. It's not a freewheeling and highly
> communicative population behind this firewall. To the contrary people are
> reticent to share ideas. My thought was to increase communication by
> letting people see that their colleagues are already subscribers to the
> lists. Just listing the number of subscribers doesn't seem to me as
> potentially effective as telling who they are. Anybody else have a similar
> perspective? Do you all still see a downside to listing subscribers so
> readily? Can it be done as I originally suggested? Finally, what about the
> hotlink to bring up the Welcome file that would enable browsers to read
> about each list? Thanks to one and all.
>
> Tom
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________ Subject: Re: [LSTOWN-L] Hotlinking to
> subscriber lists from archive Author: dan ([log in to unmask]) at unix,mime
> Date: 6/23/98 5:45 PM
>
>
> I agree.
>
> There's just too much potential misuse behind linking actual
> subscribers
> to
> some hot-link, regardless of one's good intention.
>
> I listened today, to the Cybercast of the Department of Commerce
> meeting
> on
> "Privacy on the Internet." It was a good meeting today that brought out
> some important critical issues on "privacy" facing us. The second meeting
> is tomorrow. You can catch some of the issues on:
>
> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/privacy/
>
> and the Cybercast should be on at 9:45 a.m. EDT, at:
>
> www.news.com/Radio/Rams/privacy98_02.ram
>
> Dan Frezza, SFO
> Listowner of Assisi-L
>
>
> > On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Thomas Wolff wrote:
> >
> > > We're just getting our web interface working. We are using version 1.8c.
> > >
> > > The standard format on page http://listserv...com/archives/index.html lists
> > > the number of subscribers in parentheses after each list's title. Is there
> > > some way we can have the number-of-subscribers information hotlink to an
> > > actual list of current subscribers? Could we also set up a hotlink to bring
> > > up the Welcome file that would enable browsers to read about each list?
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > I would not sugest having a list of subscribers publicly
> > accessable on the WWW interface, even if it is only avalable for the lists
> > that have review=public it gives spammers just one more place to get lists
> > of ``known good'' addresses. As for producing the welcome, there should be
> > no problem with that. But I do not know for sure. I would think that was a
> > standard feature.
> >
> > Jason Rasku
> >
> > --
> > Jason Rasku, Box 270, Rossland, B.C., V0G 1Y0, (250) 362-5701,
> > LinuxBox: (250) 362-9668.
> >
> > Web pages of Interest:
> > Madness: <http://www.madnation.org/> <http://www.efn.org/~dendron>
> > <http://www.peoplewho.org/Madness>
> > Fibre: <http://kootweb.com/trillium/trrasku/trrasku.html>
> > Spirituality: <mailto:[log in to unmask]
> > sprits firstname lastname>
> >
> > ICQ 6375239
> >
> > Johnson's First Law:
> > When any mechanical contrivance fails, it will do so at the
> > most inconvenient possible time.
>
>
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