Hi Roger and the rest of the LSTOWN braintrust:
Thanks to the pointers (from Roger Fajman) and a day to think about the
two lists operated in tandem with two levels--the post graduate level
discussion and the student level discussion--I would like to bounce the
following solution off the LSTOWN braintrust.
The first list with the post graduate level discussion is open on a
read/write basis to all at that level. The second list is also open on a
read/write basis to all at the student level plus those at the post
graduate level who participate in that list to answer questions and
otherwise assist in the education of the student.
The third list is subscribed to the first and is otherwise a read only
list. Subscribers to the third list will be the students who would like
to read the first list and they would be permited to reply with questions
and comments to the postings to the first list that come to them through
the third list.
Can the messages sent out by the third list have a "reply to" setting that
directs them back to the second list where the other students and their
"advisor/mentors" could deal in the second list with the student questions
and comments in reply to the post graduate level messages coming to them
from the first list via the third.
I can see an advantage over this three-list arrangement over the one
proposed earlier (message appended at very of this message). The
participants in the student list would have the option of participating in
the student list only or, those who wanted to be more involved, could
participate in the student list and read the post graduate list.
I am hoping that what Roger has suggested (message appended immediately
below) about using the "reply to" feature would include setting the "reply
to" keyword so that the messages distributed by the third list would, when
replied to, be directed to the second list.
Thanks for listening,
John
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To: Roger Fajman <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Problem with two lists spawns a third list and another
problem
Hi Roger:
The pointers are very much appreicated.
Thanks,
John
On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Roger Fajman wrote:
> > The experienced individuals from the first list wishing to participate in
> > the second list are among the most active in the discussion that take
> > place in the first list. They will want to be able to participate at both
> > levels and will therefore continue their subscription and active
> > participation in the first list. However, this would cause them to receive
> > duplicates of messages originating in the first list and, more difficult
> > for them to deal with, replies to the messages originating in the first
> > list which they received from the second would not make it back to the
> > first list.
>
> Subscribe them to both lists, but set them to NOMAIL on the first list.
> This will allow them to post on either list (I'm assuming that at least
> the first list is set to Send=Private), but they will receive only the
> copy from the second list.
>
> Replies are trickier. If you sent both lists to Reply-to=List,Respect,
> then the posts to the first list will have a Reply-to pointing to the
> first list when they appear on the second list. This will be right
> for the people on both list, but not for the people only on the
> second list. If you set the second list to Reply-to=List,Ignore,
> then the messages on the second list will point to that list, and
> people on both lists will not know which list the message went to
> originally.
>
> It might help to set the people on both lists to IETFHDR. This should
> preserve the To header when the message goes from the first list to
> the second (leaving it pointing at the first list).
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:58:51 -0600 (MDT)
From: John Debruyn <[log in to unmask]>
To: LISTSERV give-and-take forum <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Problem with two lists spawns a third list and another problem
Hi all, please point me in the right direction if there is another place
rather that this group to ask:
Question: What can be done to screen out messages originating in a list
(first list) that are distributed to a second list (subscribing to the
first) before the point that such messages would otherwise be passed on to
a third list (subscribing to the second) so that the third list receives
only the message originating in the second list.
Some background to explain this convoluted three list arrangement:
A. Justification for the the second list that is going to be created
A group experienced in the theory and practice of the trade maintains a
list. They have invited others who are learning the trade to join the list
with the understanding that they may read but not write messages. To
increase the educational value of the list to the inexperienced, the
experienced group plans to establish a second list to help those learning
the trade. The messages traffic would move in one direction between the
two lists: from the first list to second list. This would permit those
who were learning the trade could then both follow and discuss the
theoretical and practical issues raised in the first group without
affecting the level of the discussions in the first group. Several
experienced subscribers from the first group interested in the education
of those learning the trade would also join the second group to answer
questions and otherwise encourage the second group in their efforts to
learn the trade.
B. Justification for the third list that would be created
The experienced individuals from the first list wishing to participate in
the second list are among the most active in the discussion that take
place in the first list. They will want to be able to participate at both
levels and will therefore continue their subscription and active
participation in the first list. However, this would cause them to receive
duplicates of messages originating in the first list and, more difficult
for them to deal with, replies to the messages originating in the first
list which they received from the second would not make it back to the
first list.
Suggested solution
A third list would established to permit the experienced subscribers from
the first list to "virtually" participate in the second list by receiving
only the messages originating in the second list. In addition, all of the
subscribers to the third list would be authorized to reply and initiate
message to the second list. The experienced would continue to participate
in the first list on the same basis as before the second and third lists
were established.
Back to the question:
What can be done to screen out messages originating in a list (first list)
that are distributed to a second list (subscribing to the first) before
the point that such messages would otherwise be passed on to a third list
(subscribing to the second) so that the third list receives only the
message originating in the second list.
The first list is served by Listserv by Lsoft and would like to stay with
Listserv. However, the group sponsoring the list has access to other
sites that use Majordomo and Listproc, if the second or third list would
need a different list server package in order to solve the problem.
Thanks for listening,
John
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John DeBruyn, Denver, Colorado, The Mile High City, USA ([log in to unmask])
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