On Wed, 20 May 1998 02:03:04 -0500 you said:
>Well, being norev on Searn doesn't mean you are norev on Peach or UGA,
>at least that is what Nathan told me, so I'll stick with SEARN, from
>which I have never gotten an "undeliverable" message unless my system was
>totally shut down, nor a "submitted for approval" after Nathan had set my
>new sub from a new address norev. I can get to SEARN when I cannot get to
>PEACH and I don't get the hassles.

But when you reply to a posting that has a Reply-To: pointing back to PEACH,
don't be surprised if it has to be approved :)  If you all weren't so adamant
about getting the occasional spam, we could dispense with the approval
business and go back to the way things used to be.  It would certainly mean
less work for me.  By the way <I> did not set your new sub to NOREVIEW.
Both LSTOWN-L and LSTSRV-L are set to do that automatically as an anti-
spamming measure, and I always send a SET listname NOREVIEW command along
with the OK.  If you're posting from an address that isn't subscribed
or posting to the peer you're not subscribed to, that's why your posts
have to be approved.

>As to WWW searching, well, a dbase search on SEARN is much more to my
>taste, thanks anyway. Something I've never figured out is why a list needs
>a "web presence." Are there really that many people out there who aren't
>interested if they can't point 'n click?  Even if it is a "professional
>discussion group" and they can get the service nowhere else?

The only problem with this is that Eric has database searching disabled
on SEARN.  That was why we peered it on PEACH to begin with.  SEARN is
just a P/390 and PEACH is a big AlphaServer of some sort (I don't
remember exactly which model) with a lot more resources.  Anyway you can
still do mailed searches (with the new SEARCH syntax) on PEACH, if you
prefer that to the WWW interface.

WRT why a list needs a web presence, well, you have to remember that the
current population of the net isn't the mix of academics and techies that
it was back when we started :)  A lot of people need and want a point and
click interface, and not only that, over the last couple of years it's become
hard to sell LISTSERV without it.  This is what people (in general) want,
whether or not you and I think it's moronic.  To assume the attitude of "take
us, bad/hard to use as we are" is simply no longer possible on the brave new
user-friendly Internet.

Nathan